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Katie: Good day and welcome to the Wellness Mama Podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and this episode is all about breast well being, breast points, hormones and discovering steadiness. And I’m right here with my pal Magdalena, who’s the founding father of Hormones Steadiness and of Wellena merchandise, that are dietary supplements made by girls for ladies, and her on-line platform and merchandise are devoted to serving to girls steadiness hormones naturally. And I’ve recognized her for years. I’ve had her on earlier than, and I’ll hyperlink to her first episode within the present notes as nicely.
However I all the time be taught so much from Magdalena, and this one is a subject I’ve not lined on the podcast till now, particularly centered on breast well being. And he or she provides some very sensible ways in which we will assist breast well being and explains how our breast well being is definitely a window into different features of well being as nicely, particularly our hormones, and what sure points can point out the best way to hold a proactive pulse on breast well being and hormone well being generally, and a lot extra. We discuss every little thing from benign lumps and fibrocystic breasts to ache and swelling and extra extreme points. She talks so much about estrogen dominance, which was the subject of our first episode. She talks about oils and herbs that you should use in Lymphatic therapeutic massage at dwelling, and different methods to assist the Lymphatic system to maintain breasts wholesome, and addressing the foundation explanation for points together with estrogen dominance. We discuss eating regimen and dietary supplements that may be useful, how hydration and lymphatic perform come into play, and a lot extra. She shares some sensible suggestions and her personal expertise, in addition to her scientific expertise on this actually fact-packed episode. So, with none additional wait, let’s be part of Magdalena. Magdalena, welcome. Thanks for being right here.
Magdalena – Thanks. And this time round we’re doing video, in order that’s slightly bit new, however thrilling.
Katie – It’s enjoyable to get to see your face and we’re going to speak in depth about breast well being and hormones as we speak. However earlier than we do, I’ve a enjoyable reality about you. The primary international language you spoke was Danish, and I simply wish to hear about this as a result of that’s fascinating.
Magdalena – My father was a diplomat and his first task was Denmark. And we left there once I was 5 years outdated. And so I grew up there aged 5 to 10. The very first college I went to was really a Russian college as a result of we had been a part of a Communist block. In order that they compelled us to go to a Russian college. However then once I discovered that I wasn’t six years outdated, I used to be solely 5, they mentioned, I’ve to return dwelling. And my mom didn’t wish to have me at dwelling. In order that they went to a Danish college, a public college, and it was sort of revolutionary as a result of plenty of, you recognize, you had been sort of supporting the Huge Brother, which was Russian faculties. And so my dad and mom would contemplate sort of rebellious to do this. However, yeah, I used to be like the one kiddo coming from working like an mental household, as a result of the remainder of it had been immigrants that Denmark was taking. It was very gracious to take plenty of immigrants from Afghanistan and India and from Turkey, and so it was a reasonably tough begin. But it surely was additionally like, all of us studying the language and that was how I realized that as the primary international language. In actual fact, once I get sort of drained or I assume if I’m slightly bit tipsy, folks ask me if I’m German or South African. So I feel it’s the Danish affect.
Katie: That’s so humorous and doubtless nice for you life lengthy, as a result of I’ve heard when you be taught one other language earlier than, I feel like age eight or someplace in there, it kind of pre primes your mind to be higher at that sort of stuff your entire life.
Magdalena: You’ll know extra about that than I do, proper? With multilingual children, proper? Yeah.
Katie: Effectively, an space you’re undoubtedly additionally an skilled in is all issues associated to girls’s well being and hormone well being and breast well being, which I’ve by no means talked about on this podcast and which is one thing that hasn’t been. I’ll admit tremendous prime of thoughts to me up till this level in my life. Simply because I didn’t actually give it some thought once I was youthful. However I do know it’s one thing to pay attention to and I wish to be proactive about as I grow old. So to begin off broad, I do know there’s in all probability plenty of issues that match beneath the umbrella of breast points, so possibly simply sort of give us an outline of these and the way widespread this stuff are.
Magdalena: Yeah, positive. So our breasts are, to start with, an enormous indication of what’s occurring in our total well being in girls, proper. So whether or not it’s hormonal adjustments, like plenty of girls, we begin realizing that our breasts are probably having a little bit of an issue when it’s correlated with our durations, proper? And in order that’s like one kind of hormonal adjustments or breast adjustments that occur due to hormonal adjustments. So we name it cyclical breast points, proper? After which you could have the non cyclical, which signifies that there are some girls who actually have well being points with their breast all through their cycle or girls who don’t have a cycle anymore might be going by way of plenty of breast adjustments as nicely.
So it’s tremendous widespread and it’s widespread to a degree the place we nearly dismiss it as saying it’s not an enormous deal, proper? That means you go and see a health care provider and also you get an examination and it’ll say nicely, you’re simply swelling. And despite the fact that your cup dimension goes from cup A to cup C in the midst of 4 days and your swollen and it’s plenty of ache and also you don’t wish to be intimate and all that, they are going to say, nicely, that’s regular, proper? As a result of all people else is experiencing it.
What I’ve realized over time is that as we have now our cycles, there’s super adjustments that occur, proper. Our estrogen progesterone fluctuate, our FSH, LH, all of these hormones are fluctuating so much. And so it’s commonplace for us to have a change in weight and temper and meals cravings and even energetically how we present up, proper. Whether or not we’re open to issues or whether or not we wish to sort of simply disguise in our cave and do our personal issues, which is regular. There’s a little bit of a skinny line between what’s regular and what’s not regular. Proper. So the query is, can you are feeling any breast adjustments when along with your cycle? Completely. Is it regular to go from cup A to cup C in the midst of three or 4 days? And the reply isn’t any. Is it regular that it’s so swollen that your breast is so swollen that you do not need to be sexual with somebody? You may’t do sports activities, you’re going to placed on a particular bra.
This, even girls who really considered one of our formulators, which is sort of enjoyable to work along with her as a result of we had been experimenting with plenty of completely different oils and herbs along with her. She couldn’t placed on a bra in any respect, despite the fact that she’s cup dimension C, she’s C cup as a result of it’s simply so painful and limiting for her. So is that ordinary? Completely not. And it will possibly destroy the standard of life, however it’s additionally a sign there’s one thing greater that’s happening. Proper. And that’s actually what we’re right here to speak about. It’s like your breast is simply yet one more symptom or signal that there’s a greater factor at play. And I’ll simply point out yet one more factor. Is that one other factor that’s sort of normalized by our typical allopathic docs is while you discover a lump in your breast, proper. And so it’s like, yeah, whether or not it’s your selections to do a mammogram otherwise you’re doing tomography, whether or not you’re doing a sonogram, they usually go nicely, and there’s a lump and it appears prefer it’s benign, and once more, it’s dismissed as being it’s not an enormous deal.
And as we now know, breast lumps are even these benign ones are indication of estrogen dominance that’s happening in a lady’s physique, which might then lead on to DNA injury that then can result in breast most cancers. Proper. So plenty of instances that lump on the time when it’s discovered it’s not an enormous deal, however when you proceed having lumps for a really very long time and as a transparent indication of estrogen dominance, that may result in extra severe circumstances like estrogenic most cancers. So each purpose to essentially begin taking a look at your breast and understanding what your breasts are telling you when it begins occurring, proper from the start.
Katie: Yeah, I feel that’s such an vital level. If that is even when it’s thought of benign by conventional drugs, it’s nonetheless a great clue of one thing that’s occurring inside within the physique, one thing our physique is making an attempt to inform us. And I additionally suppose, to your level, that distinction between widespread and regular shouldn’t be made sufficient in conventional drugs. Simply because one thing occurs typically doesn’t imply that it’s, “regular”. And I’ve gotten that from docs within the thyroid area earlier than or once I had signs and I had simply had a child, I used to be advised, like, oh, that’s regular since you’ve had a child. And all these issues.
I feel I say this so typically on right here, however we’re every our personal main well being care supplier on the finish of the a day. Like, the duty lies with us. So anytime there’s one thing that can provide us extra info on what’s happening in our physique that’s superior, even when it could be within the second, doesn’t really feel superior or it’s not a snug symptom, it’s nonetheless superior as a result of we’re getting information about what’s happening in our physique. And I do know for me, the one time I’ve had drastic adjustments in my breasts was once I began breastfeeding, they usually did go up a number of cup sizes in a day when my milk got here in. However that’s concerning the extent of me having private expertise with any sort of speedy adjustments. And it makes me curious what causes these points. I do know I hear increasingly more from girls who’re experiencing issues like fibrocystic breast or lumps or ache and swelling, such as you talked about. What’s inflicting that?
Magdalena: Yeah. So it’s a number of elements that play an enormous position right here. I feel the 2 predominant ones that we will identify actually, is irritation and estrogen dominance. So let me discuss estrogen dominance first. Estrogen dominance is a situation the place you both have an excessive amount of estrogen as in comparison with progesterone or no matter estrogen that you’ve, the way in which you’re breaking down that estrogen into clear and soiled estrogens is unfavorable. That means you’re producing too a lot of these soiled estrogens. Or for these of you who’re clinicians in right here, it is going to be issues just like the antagonistic metabolites of estrogen, proper?
And when that occurs, estrogen in extra is principally very inflammatory. And so when a lady is estrogen dominant, plenty of instances it’s not simply breasts, however it’s additionally simply total potential of shedding weight turns into an issue, particularly round our hips and thighs. That’s the place estrogen likes to deposit itself. After which there’s an entire host of different signs of estrogen dominance. And we did a podcast on that two or three years in the past when my e book got here out. I bear in mind you had been actually eager on wanting to speak about estrogen dominance and I thanks for that.
So estrogen is extremely inflammatory, however the different factor that occurs with the breast is that the best variety of receptors within the physique for estrogen is an ovaries within the breast, proper? So naturally, when you could have an excessive amount of of that estrogen and it goes into your breast when you could have so many receptors and that estrogen shouldn’t be a clear estrogen, it’s a soiled sort of estrogen, or like I mentioned, it’s not sufficient progesterone to offset it, it turns into extremely inflammatory. And so what occurs is within the breast, you could have lobules, you could have ducts, and people are like these canals. There’s a really wealthy lymphatic system within the breast which can come to it in only a second and that causes swelling. So principally all these passages swell up, proper, with the presence of extra estrogen.
And that’s what sort of leads me to the second level, is that estrogen dominance causes the lymphatic system then to swell up within the breast as nicely. So consider the lymphatic system like a freeway for us to do away with like little trash cans, driving round trash vans, driving across the physique, evacuating garbage or trash from our physique, proper? That’s what the lymphatic system total is for. And within the breast, we have now plenty of the lymphatic passages as nicely. So the swelling of that causes plenty of the water retention proper, within the breast. In order that’s when develop into actually heavy, actually swollen, actually giant.
So in the end, these are the 2 predominant issues. And the third one is simply total irritation. For ladies who’re infected due to it doesn’t must be a hormones. That may be way of life selections reminiscent of hooked on caffeine, which are low on magnesium, for instance, proper? That additionally causes inflammatory responses usually within the physique. And for some girls, as you all the time say, everyone seems to be slightly completely different, proper? And signs of irritation can manifest. One individual places on weights and that an individual will get horrible complications and that individual can’t sleep. For some girls, particularly, who’re extra prone to estrogen dominance as nicely, irritation then manifests within the breast total. So, yeah, these are the foremost three issues. So irritation, estrogen dominance, and stagnation of the lymphatic system.
Katie: And I do know we’re going to get to go deep on the lymphatic side in a minute. And I’ll make certain to hyperlink to our first podcast episode within the present notes. So when you guys haven’t listened, extremely suggest that episode as nicely. And I do know we lined it in depth in that one, however are you able to simply briefly contact on if somebody is aware of they’ve estrogen dominance or now suspects that they do? What are among the ways in which we might help fight that? I do know, like, for example, from our previous dialog, stress comes into play, magnesium comes into play. There’s so much that comes into play, however would simply be a fast overview of that.
Magdalena: Yeah. So let’s begin off with signs. Something from anybody who’s fighting horrible PMS, horrible durations, very heavy durations, scanty durations, absent durations, irregular durations. All of that may be because of estrogen dominance. Then you definately’re taking a look at issues like reproductive organ well being, proper? So we talked about breast, but in addition fibroids, uterine polyps, the expansion of these. Endometriosis, is basically fueled by the axis of estrogen after which the way you look, proper?
So, for instance, I discussed when you could have an excessive amount of fats saved within the thighs, within the hips and the butt. And ladies who simply can’t lose that weight irrespective of how a lot they train, proper? That’s extremely estrogenic. So evaluate that to girls who’ve plenty of fats round their retailer, plenty of fats round their stomach. That tends to be a metabolic dysfunction, proper? So, like, sometimes excessive blood sugar ranges, excessive testosterone ranges. Ladies with estrogen are typically your proverbial pear form who actually battle with their weight. And with that additionally come plenty of, like, temper swings, particularly when you have temper swings and migraines, it’s correlated along with your interval. It might be extremely, very a lot because of estrogen dominance infertility, miscarriages, tremendous, tremendous widespread. And you then’re speaking about issues like varicose veins. Like when you have plenty of varicose veins round in your face, in your legs, proper, slightly tiny cherry moles and that you simply would possibly discover across the physique that may be additionally because of estrogen dominance.
So hair loss is one other fascinating one. Hair loss, more often than not, if it’s a hormonally pushed, that thyroid is the very first thing to examine. But when your thyroid is completely effective after which utilizing, you recognize, Dr. Izabella Wentz’s set of labs, not what your physician advised you, then you will note that it might be additionally because of estrogen dominance. So if the estrogen dominance is attributable to low progesterone, then different signs will likely be issues like insomnia, having plenty of nervousness, having reminiscence lapses, a quite common one.
In order you may see, there’s nearly like, once I go down the checklist, plenty of instances in a gaggle of ladies, all people begins going like, oh yeah, that’s me. There’s nearly no girls that we all know of who wouldn’t expertise that to a point. Proper. And I used to be simply mentioning about since you requested, how have you learnt? So going by signs will be extraordinarily telling. For some girls, it’s just like the proof is within the pudding. I have to see some labs as a way to consider that that’s the drawback. The one kind of lab you don’t wish to go together with is blood work, which a health care provider may need ordered.
And Katie, once I was in personal follow, I can’t inform you what number of girls will stroll in and say, my hormones are completely effective. Proper. Then they present me the blood work. And it was by no means accounted for, like, the place had been you in your cycle while you did it and such. And so essentially the most dependable type of actually understanding your hormones goes to be doing DUTCH assessments, which is a urine check. Saliva might be a reasonably far second greatest, however that’s going to indicate you much more correct numbers of the place you’re along with your estrogen progesterone and the way you’re breaking down estrogen.
Katie: That is sensible. But it surely does sound like for ladies, the place the fee can be a purpose they couldn’t do plenty of lab testing, the signs is usually a actually good perception. And I do know that most of the belongings you beneficial in that episode are additionally simply usually supportive of excellent well being, so they might be secure to strive even when an individual wasn’t going to go get full lab testing. Like, your whole recommendation in there was so strong that I really feel like when you even suspect you could have these issues, possibly begin there with the foundational issues earlier than you begin spending some huge cash on testing and get these foundational issues in place. After which if that you must, then discover a practitioner, do testing and work with them. But it surely looks as if there’s a lot that’s inside our management if we begin taking note of our personal our bodies.
Magdalena: Precisely. And most of the people, most individuals, you recognize, I’d say, like, don’t ignore your signs as a result of plenty of instances you’d be like, my mother had all the time lumpy breasts and have issues along with her gall bladder. I forgot about gallbladder is one other one. When you could have power issues along with your gall bladder, it might be additionally due to estrogen dominance. Thyroid nodules is one other one. Proper. After which the largest one which I forgot to say is estrogenic most cancers. So breast most cancers, ovarian most cancers, uterine most cancers, lung most cancers in non-smokers. And most of them are estrogenic cancers. So most girls who’re like, who’ve points with estrogen dominance is usually not one symptom. It sometimes is a number of signs anyway for each good purpose simply to not ignore it. For positive.
Katie: That is sensible. And it strains up with I had Dr. Thomas Seyfried on the podcast speaking concerning the most cancers, the metabolic illness hyperlink and the way there’s like, a metabolic part there in plenty of cancers, which is sensible with these as nicely, that estrogen may come into play in a metabolic method as a result of we all know from that first episode how a lot it impacts so many programs throughout the physique.
And also you additionally talked about the lymphatic aspect. And I really feel like this aspect shouldn’t be talked about hardly in any respect. And I’m excited to be taught from you on this. The extent of my data and anecdotal expertise right here is studying that, for example, like, actually tight restrictive clothes isn’t perfect long run. And so I kind of switched away from that and into non-restrictive, non-underwire. And I observed I really noticed adjustments in my breast. They had been perkier with out the assist. However that’s concerning the extent of my private expertise. So possibly clarify to us from the lymphatic aspect what’s occurring and the best way to optimize there.
Magdalena: Yeah. In order we all know, the lymphatic system is all about getting the trash out of the physique, proper? And look, even simply by you sitting on a chair proper now doing this, that is already transferring your lymphatic system. Let me simply stand up and present you one thing else. We’re standing within the line for procuring and stuff and also you’re like, standing and ready. As an alternative of simply going from one leg to a different, all you need to do is simply rise up in your tiptoes and simply do that and simply drop. Proper? It’s an effective way of simply activating the lymphatic system. And also you don’t must have a rebounder. I imply, when you have a rebounder, gosh, that’s wonderful. That’s already one other step in that route.
Now, for some girls, simply doing an total lymphatic drainage like that or going and getting, for instance, a lymphatic drainage therapeutic massage is usually a fantastic method of opening every little thing up. And like, after surgical procedures, like when you could have plenty of swelling in several components of the physique, I imply, this actually will get every little thing going. However for some girls, that’s simply not sufficient. And so there’s a technique that I’ve realized from a health care provider in Maryland, Dr. Rind, who invented this technique and exhibits how massaging your breast by way of a thermogram. He’ll try this earlier than and after in a thermogram, proper? It’s going to present plenty of redness and plenty of oranges, orange charge, which is like extremely infected breast, so long as it’s not most cancers or it’s not one thing severe. But when it’s simply purely irritation simply by massaging your breast, how a lot of that aid occurs? And doing the scan yet one more time after, and it checks every little thing returns to being inexperienced, which is the wholesome coloration of a tissue we must always have within the breast, proper? So generally for some girls, paying slightly little bit of consideration to massaging your breast will be actually useful. And I’ll present you the tactic after which let’s discuss additionally about what sort of oils and herbs you are able to do too, you may infuse it your self. You will get it from on-line, you will get it from us, no matter is your selection simply to even amplify the therapeutic massage impact even additional. Would you like me to begin with the therapeutic massage?
Katie: Yeah, let’s begin there.
Magdalena: Okay. So I’m going to clarify it like as if a few of you’re watching us on-line. A few of them you may see the video, others, you’re simply listening to it. So I’ll do it in a method that everyone will profit from that. So the concept is that you would be able to therapeutic massage your breast. You are able to do that very first thing within the morning. You are able to do it when you’re having a shower. It doesn’t actually matter. The thought is that you simply put your so I’m lifting up my left hand. I’m placing it behind my head. When you’ve got an issue along with your shoulder and you may’t increase it, simply increase your hand as far up as you may, proper? And when you try this, consider your clavicle space. That is going to be your exit website. That is the place we’re going to be massaging the breast in order that we would like all of the gunk to be going out that method. All proper?
The place we’re going to begin is from the nipple. I’m pointing at 12:00 and I’m utilizing my proper hand and I’m utilizing the three fingers from my pointing finger to my ring finger. After which 12:00 from the nipple. And gently you wish to therapeutic massage your breast up in the direction of the clavicle, proper? After which we’re going to maneuver on to 11:00. We do precisely the identical factor. Now by way of stress, think about like if beneath your pores and skin you simply had an entire bunch of honey and also you wish to transfer that honey up, proper? So it’s not too exhausting, however it’s not too smooth both. So simply think about it’s the honey.
After which we’re going to, you recognize after which I’m transferring over to 09:00, proper? And so forth and so forth. Whenever you come all the way down to the underside of your of your nipple, you wish to go down the breast after which carry it up over to the opposite aspect. So I’m like nearer to your armpit after which once more in the direction of the clavicle, proper? And you then proceed doing that. It actually ought to take you about two minutes to complete massaging your breast. You do precisely the identical factor along with your proper hand up, utilizing your left palm to therapeutic massage your breast. You are able to do that when you immediately develop ache and also you wish to do it shortly. You are able to do it over the garments, simply the way in which I did it.
Some girls like to do it within the bathe, so I personally don’t. However you may completely nicely do it in bathe since you are good and slippery. All the pieces is transferring. Be sure you’re utilizing some good clear cleaning soap, like castile cleaning soap, and nothing artificial, proper? That is like one space you undoubtedly wish to be placing all these horrible chemical compounds on. However my favourite is to essentially use particular oils to essentially not simply therapeutic massage the breast, but in addition give the breast like some additional diet and motion.
So a few choices right here is, let me begin off with the primary oil, and that’s oil that’s infused with poke root. Poke root has been utilized in natural drugs for generations. And plenty of sensible girls and midwives will use it for mastalgia, for mastitis, proper? So irritation or an infection on the breast. It’s a beautiful herb. It’s a kind of herbs that when you go to PubMed, there is no such thing as a a lot analysis on it in any respect, proper? However on the identical time, we additionally didn’t have a lot analysis about meditation or yoga 20 years in the past. And now all people is like, simply because we will put any individual into an MRI and present what’s occurring now it’s a legit intervention, proper, or assist for well being. So don’t dismiss poke root. It’s been used for generations and ladies had unbelievable outcomes with poke root.
For these of you who’re within the south, you would possibly know poke salad, proper? And so it’s really sort of poisonous until you wash it many instances. However that is the foundation of the plant that will get excavated in fall and that’s when it’s at its prime and it’s obtained plenty of vitamins in it. After which we infuse it into an oil. So when you simply go on on-line, there’s movies that present you ways to do this. You can too use dried poke root so you will get it from like Mountain Rose after which infuse it your self in an oil for like 24 hours at a low temperature, proper? That’s already a extremely nice acquire that method. In case you are fortunate sufficient to have recent root on this fall, then go in to get out and simply do it your self. It looks like very particular while you try this.
So poke root has obtained unbelievable anti-inflammatory actions. And poke one way or the other, herbs have this intelligence of actually having unbelievable affinity in the direction of plenty of instances in the direction of particular organs. Relating to poke root, it’s particularly a reproductive organs that poke actually works exhausting on. And so you may even use the identical oil. In the event you’re having horrible PMS, you might go have fibroids. In actual fact, I’m engaged on a fibroid system now, and we’re going to be utilizing poke as nicely for lowering fibroids. And so when you’re having very heavy bleeding, proper, it’s a beautiful herb simply to use in your stomach. You may infuse it into any sort of oil. However there’s sunflower oil, olive oil, doesn’t actually matter so long as it’s not, a pleasant natural oil, proper? And also you therapeutic massage it precisely the way in which I described. And when you have no time, no large deal in anyway, simply seize slightly bit, a tablespoon or so on every breast, put it on. The one factor with oil that takes time to soak up, proper. So that you would possibly have to let it sit there for a couple of minutes earlier than you wipe it off and you place in your garments on and begin the day.
One other oil that’s wonderful and plenty of of you may need it really in your kitchen, and you can begin it tomorrow, is when you have night primrose oil that’s obtained gamolenic acid in it, proper. It is available in a capsule. It’s all the time clearly oil primarily based, proper? And so all you need to do is simply poke the capsule with a knife, open it up. You would possibly want a capsule on either side. And that’s one other one. The gamolenic acid works wonders on the prostaglandins which are inflammatory prostaglandins. So it calms down the ache by engaged on the inflammatory prostaglandins. After which it upregulates the protecting ache killing prostaglandins. That’s fairly wonderful oil as nicely.
Yet one more factor I wish to point out is, talking of exterior utility, is utilizing St. John’s Wort. So let’s not freak out. St. John’s Wort taken internally can intervene with plenty of medicines. That’s true. And the sort of can be goes to say, like how highly effective natural drugs will be, proper, that it will possibly intervene along with your SSRIs and an entire host of various, so I’m not speaking right here about inner utility. We’re speaking about exterior utility, which won’t intervene with any medication you’re taking. And so infusing St. John’s Wort, which is a complete weed, you could have handed by it many instances, in all probability on a lot of your walks and hikes. You may once more, identical factor. You should purchase it from an natural retailer and infuse it your self.
And there’s one thing so magical about St. John’s Wort, particularly together with poke root. It simply nearly looks like your entire breast simply go, thank goodness, after which every little thing simply calms down. St. John’s Wort can be the sunshine herb, proper? It grows in very sunny, vivid areas, and so it sort of creates the sense of lightness and aid of the breast. I can’t inform you, Katie, how spectacular it’s, particularly while you apply it. We had been engaged on the cream system. We had been doing one cream at a time or one oil at a time, one herb at a time, simply to see it’s efficacy, proper? It’s simply so fantastic simply to see how efficient it may be. So the cream factor, it provides you want a fast aid, proper? And you are able to do this each day and let the ache subside. You would possibly notice that after one month of doing that, while you open up your lymphatic system, you could have these herbs which are actually engaged on the irritation within the breast. You would possibly discover really plenty of aid and also you don’t want to make use of the cream anymore.
The factor that we have now discovered is that when you don’t handle the foundation explanation for the issue, it can come again. So two months later, three months later, your breast may be like, the lump would possibly come again. One actually intelligent factor to do is to deal with actually cleansing up your eating regimen. So getting into an anti-inflammatory eating regimen, eliminating the gluten, dairy, lowering sugar, caffeine, there are research even exhibiting how caffeine contributes in the direction of fibrocystic breast. You talked about magnesium. Upping your magnesium to a degree that you’ve free bowel after which again off as a result of that’s, you recognize, any individual who has obtained enough magnesium ranges would possibly solely have to take possibly 200 – 300 milligrams of magnesium. Anyone who’s actually poor would possibly have to take as a lot as 1400 earlier than she will get a bowel motion, proper, or lose stool since you’re so depleted.
So your breasts love magnesium. Magnesium goes to assist your liver tremendously in breaking out estrogen. In order that’s going to be super assist. But additionally, let’s not neglect the three dietary supplements that I really like in our follow that you would be able to introduce to essentially assist your physique break estrogens in a constructive method is utilizing DIM, utilizing sulforaphane, proper, and utilizing calcium D-glucarate. In actual fact, let me share with you, like, an excellent fast story as a result of lots of people learn about DIM. DIM has been like, given the identify of the being the estrogen buster, proper?
So all people’s like, oh, I’m going to take DIM once I’ve obtained breast issues, proper? And docs who don’t actually perceive the complete story behind how estrogens get damaged down will put sufferers on DIM. After which plenty of instances girls really feel a profit, like for the primary two, three weeks, possibly a month. After which after that, they sort of begin getting unfavourable outcomes they usually really feel just like the breasts are getting worse, the interval is getting worse, the moods are actually compromised.
And so the explanation when it occurs is as a result of estrogen will get metabolized in three phases. The primary two are within the liver. The third one is principally pooping it out. So your digestion must be pretty nicely working, proper? So that you’re eliminating issues. However let’s begin off with the liver. So you could have part one liver cleansing. Section two liver cleansing. DIM upregulates the primary one. So by taking DIM, you simply open up the flood gates and you then’re simply passing on this flood over to part two. But when part two shouldn’t be supported correctly with the right binders, proper, and vitamins, that’s when plenty of the signs begin developing, when girls begin feeling horrible. So as a way to assist part two, you might have a look at further issues like sulforaphane, which helps with the sulfation pathway, and calcium D-glucarate, which may be very underestimated, however finish may be very highly effective.
I’m going to present you an excellent fast story. I’ve a girlfriend who’s an herbalist right here in Colorado. She’s additionally an enormous sportsman. She’s a skier and a climber. And so out of like two weeks out of a month, her breasts can be so engorged. She is going to go from cup A to cup D, actually. It might be so engorged. There’s simply no method of doing any sports activities. Doesn’t wish to be intimate. Horrible temper. Proper? And since she additionally has a few autoimmune illnesses, so she’s obtained her eating regimen dialed in. You already know, she’s doing AIP. She’s, like, religiously avoiding gluten and dairy and all that stuff, proper? Method past that as nicely. And he or she’s gone to so many various docs making an attempt to determine what’s inflicting that enlargement of her breast, and he or she couldn’t discover solutions. And it was actually we went on a hike, and I used to be simply, like, very casually going like, what about calcium D-glucarate? And he or she’s like, calcium what? And it’s not the one for the bones, as a result of lots of people suppose it’s for the bones. It’s not. It’s the glucuronic acid that it simply occurs to be hooked up to the calcium molecule. And he or she’s like, no, I’ve by no means heard of them. She’s been on NAC and rose vascular and sulfuricane. Like, tons of magnesium can do nothing, proper? Received’t transfer the needle.
And I nonetheless have that textual content message from her. She would textual content me, like, two weeks later when it occurred once more, and he or she’s like, Dude, 4 days, and, like, my breasts are again to regular. And it was simply that one compound. It was simply that one cleansing pathway for her, the glucuronidation pathway within the liver. They simply wanted some assist, wanted that binder, proper? And that’s additionally the pathway the place estrogen additionally will get metabolized, will get damaged up, proper? And so it was only one complement that actually modified her life. So it’s so fascinating, proper? Like, all of us have slightly bit completely different. So what I’m making an attempt to say is, supporting your physique and breaking down estrogen goes to provide the long run impact and doubtless goes to do away with plenty of different signs you’re fighting that we talked about earlier which are estrogen dominant.
Katie: Yeah, I’ve experimented with calcium D-glucarate slightly bit. I didn’t have something acute. I used to be simply curious to strive it for it. However I do know folks additionally use it for mould cleansing, and it appears to essentially assist that pathway for lots of causes. In order that’s an incredible anecdotal story. And possibly somebody who’s having an analogous expertise, that’s one thing they’ll strive, that may have a extremely large profit.
Magdalena: One other factor about calcium D-glucarate, I’m glad you sort of jogs my memory additionally, do take it away out of your medicine. So, like, when you take any thyroid meds, any sort of SSRIs, no matter meds, as a result of when you had a scenario the place we first launched it to our group, folks began taking it, and also you’re like, my antidepressants are now not working. You’re like, oh, yeah, 4 hours away. And that’s actually highly effective.
And likewise for individuals who have gone by way of I really you understand how I discovered about calcium D-glucarate? It was from our colleagues who’re ER docs and so emergency room physicians, as a result of when folks get that sort of therapy, they’re simply bombarded with all these, whether or not it’s antibiotics and anesthesia. I imply, there are simply a lot of medication being pumped into the physique for an individual to outlive. However afterwards they really use, purposeful docs, use calcium D-glucarate to detoxify folks after being going by way of surgical procedures. In order that’s one other actually cool utility. However all the time bear in mind, 4 hours away out of your meds.
Katie: Good to know. Vital caveat. And simply to recap, it appears like for individuals who have a rebounder, which is sort of a mini trampoline or a trampoline, that’s an incredible simply motion to work into our day. I’d guess. That is additionally why one other examine within the field for why strolling is nice, since you’re getting that very same kind of motion and we’re simply not strolling very a lot in as we speak’s world, sadly. Identical factor with vibration plates. Something that’s inflicting that lymphatic motion, which doesn’t must be working, it doesn’t must be excessive depth train, it looks as if these light actions are literally higher.
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And I really like the lymphatic side as nicely as a result of I really feel like this has develop into so stylish for folks doing lymphatic therapeutic massage on their face and the way drastically their face appears in another way once they begin actually incorporating that. So it is sensible that it might be helpful right here as nicely. I simply really feel like no one’s speaking about this aside from you. So I really like that we obtained to have that dialog. And it looks as if additionally a really low threat, probably excessive reward factor that girls can simply add to their routine that would have some actually profound useful results.
And I really like additionally that you simply introduced up the herbs that can be utilized as a result of I see folks speaking about like, rosemary oil and head lymphatic therapeutic massage and hair development. And I really like any time we will use these herbs that looks as if our ancestors have recognized for such a very long time. It’s humorous once they go TikTok stylish, however it’s like our grandparents and nice grandparents have recognized this ceaselessly. And I really like that we’re lastly getting again to a few of this knowledge.
Magdalena: Yeah, completely.
Katie: Additionally, it’s like slightly little bit of a deviation, however I’m guessing we’re going to get questions on it since you talked about the phrases each mammograms and thermography. And I’d love so that you can simply share your opinion on these. And if both of these is effective in sure methods for keeping track of issues like this, or if girls who simply wish to have a baseline of breast well being to ensure issues are good, what is an effective strategy to go about that testing?
Magdalena: Yeah, that’s such an vital query, proper? I’m an enormous fan of to start with, let me simply say this as a result of these wars between no mammogram, no thermogram, right here’s an fascinating factor. There are apples and oranges. It’s not interchangeable. They’ve a totally completely different goal. Proper? So when you’re proactive about your breast well being as a result of by the way in which, your thermogram you are able to do all of it the way in which out of your chin all the way down to your stomach. And it’s not simply the breast, so any irritation goes to get picked up, together with thyroid points, together with something in your stomach. So thermography out of thermography from a perspective of prevention, proper? As a result of it can present you adjustments within the coloration method earlier than it turns into an issue and the place a mammogram goes to indicate you when the issue is already there, proper? So a really completely different utility. It’s not one or the opposite. To me, a mammogram, it’s like doing a mammogram. It’s like, nicely, you have already got an issue. What have you ever completed about it to forestall it within the first place, proper?
And that’s the place thermography is available in. If I had a high-suspect lump on my breast, proper? And given the historical past of my household, which is I’ve plenty of estrogenic cancers and demise in my household on each side, proper? So I’m very primed on being in bother. So I’ve to look at this stuff. If I had a lump that wasn’t going away and was exhibiting sure signs that that is one thing isn’t proper, I’ll undoubtedly go and get a mammogram completed. However all this time until now, I’ve been doing thermography and right here’s the factor, I simply wish to additionally a few issues folks have to learn about thermography. And I apologize when you already lined that in your podcast, however not all thermography is identical. So when you go into a spot that does Botox and enhancements and this and that’s extra of a magnificence heart. And likewise, by the way in which, you will get a thermography completed, most definitely, it’s not going to be a really credible place. So that you’re going to select a thermography place the place I can’t bear in mind the decision proper now, but when people go on my web site, hormonesbalance.com, there’s a thermography. There’s an entire interview I did with a health care provider who’s a thermography DO osteopath. The decision is that you would be able to name forward of time and ask them what’s the sort of decision they’re utilizing.
One useless giveaway is that you simply wish to have coloration, however you additionally wish to have black and white distinction. And that’s one thing that low cost locations that aren’t severe about it, use inferior high quality cameras wouldn’t provide the black and white. The black and white, by the way in which, Katie, is fascinating as a result of once I labored with Dr. Rind to simply to get a extremely higher understanding of thermography, he was exhibiting me footage of any individual who had espresso. He referred to as it the espresso check. Had a cup of espresso after which had a tomogram completed, thermography completed in black and white. And he or she regarded like a panther. She regarded like a tiger, quite like patches all over the place, proper? And that’s one of many indicators that you simply really estrogen dominant. After which he waited for a few hours, he shot that once more, and the physique was now clear. So it’s actually fascinating how caffeine for example is usually a large contributing issue. So high quality decision issues. Who’s the practitioner, who’s doing an interpretation is basically vital. The individual is basically educated. So you actually are getting a strong studying after which you recognize you may actually belief it. I feel that a part of the explanation why there’s criticism of thermography of lacking issues and being kind of a pseudoscience and stuff is as a result of it’s completed by, like I mentioned, like Botox facilities they usually simply don’t have the fitting expertise for it and the fitting folks to interpret the outcomes.
Katie: Crucial to know. And I’m curious, you talked about among the herbs together with the lymphatic drainage and calcium d-gluconate as a complement. Are there every other good basic dietary or complement rules that girls can know which are both simply usually protecting or acutely useful in the event that they’re having a difficulty?
Magdalena: Yeah, undoubtedly. One of many large issues is your hydration, proper? It’s an enormous factor that your lymphatic system wants that as a result of it’s like actually like your Venice of your physique. There may be a few herbs additionally. One is clovers, sorry, cleavers is considered one of them. Actually fantastic one. They don’t style horrible in any respect. In summer season you discover ways to get them. You can too purchase dried cleavers after which do a tea that’s your typical lymphatic tea. One of many girls in our group had a double mastectomy preventatively and he or she had a lot swelling round her breast she began consuming cleaver tea and plenty of the lymphatic drainage began occurring proper after that.
What we’re utilizing in my follow and in our dietary supplements that particularly for breast well being and lymphatic is pink root, which is a slight it really works within the liver, however it is also a really light lymphatic mover. So pink root is one other it’s also possible to have a look at into getting a tincture if that is a matter and it’s additionally not, neglect that particularly like when you have plenty of issues, let’s say after surgical procedure or girls who simply have plenty of points with their breasts and issues nonetheless aren’t transferring. Doing castor oil packs in your breast are only a fantastic method of transferring the lymphatic system there as nicely. So yeah, so simply so you recognize, simply easy options. Water, handle your estrogen dominance, pink roots, cleavers and castor oil packs.
Katie: Yeah. And I’ll make certain we hyperlink to your web site as a result of I do know you could have many extra sources alongside these strains as nicely. However I really feel like these are all simply actually useful instruments for ladies to know. And I additionally all the time encourage girls to return to the foundational fundamentals too. And I do know we’ve talked about these, no less than in individual, if not on the report earlier than, however the free issues which are foundational habits. I’m so glad you talked about hydration. I’ve really had a number of podcasts within the final two weeks the place they talked concerning the significance of hydration from {an electrical} standpoint of the physique and the way the physique is electrical and with out hydration and electrolytes, it doesn’t perform correctly and on the mobile degree and cleansing and lymphatic and sleep and the way intricately all these issues are linked.
And so I all the time encourage folks all the time begin off with the foundational. Get morning daylight for the sake of your hormones and your sleep cycle, get sufficient water and electrolytes in your eating regimen, attempt to optimize your sleep after which anything you do as well as, it’s going to be a lot more practical since you’re supporting these pure issues within the physique. I additionally know we may have led with this, however I do know you even have a private story with breast points, and I’d love when you would discuss slightly of your private expertise and likewise inform all people about Comfortable Sisters and what that’s.
Magdalena: Yeah, let me put it this fashion. We all the time bear in mind, I feel plenty of girls bear in mind discovering their very own breast lump, proper. Simply the way in which we bear in mind, like, when 9/11 occurred, you recognize precisely the place you had been, proper? When Princess Diana, when you observe the entire royal factor, when she died, while you heard about it, most individuals bear in mind precisely the time and place and what it felt like, proper, and I really feel like for ladies, it’s the identical factor. It’s like while you discover your breast lump for the primary time, it’s terrifying, proper, as a result of then it’s like the entire you go on the entire spin of, is it most cancers? How do I get it recognized? And you then get the entire diagnostic choices that you must make. In the event you name the hospital and your common doc, they’ll make you sound like, when you don’t get a mammogram tomorrow, you’re going to die in a few weeks, proper, and the stress is on.
After which for some girls, like, for me, too, there was like an enormous factor of guilt, of like, oh, is it all of the all of the smoking that I did and all of the no matter silly issues that I used to be doing once I was youthful and disgrace and was like, what’s mistaken with me? And I’m caring for myself, and right here I’m. So it’s a massively emotional affair for a lady to seek out one thing on her breast, proper? And we have now thought to one of many issues that I feel is such a disconnect is like, the one time we discover ways to contact our breast is to search for bother, proper? It’s wish to search for that lump if I’ve one. However we’ve by no means completed something to sort of, like, do one thing since you go for a therapeutic massage to really feel good, proper. You don’t go for a therapeutic massage as a result of you have already got an issue for many of us. So why not simply discover ways to therapeutic massage your breasts as a sort of supply of enjoyment, but in addition as a supply of prevention and love that you simply’re giving the one organ that’s simply so vital for us as girls. So for me, there’s all the time been an enormous it’s a really fear-based, it was, I ought to say, a concern primarily based dialog round lumpy breasts, discovering a lump on the breast or something, estrogenic, you recognize, as a result of each my aunts on each side of my household have handed away from my aunt simply handed away six months in the past from uterine most cancers. On my mom’s aspect, it was all about breast cancers, proper?
And so it seems when I’ve my DNA genetic testing completed, they’re like, oh, yeah, you’re actually dangerous estrogen metabolizer. And that sort of explains if I used to be to go to Italy or Spain or Portugal and spend, like, a few weeks to a few weeks, I’m not going to lie. I’m simply going to be like, okay, I’m going to have extra wine. I’m going to have some actually nice espresso, and there’s tiramisu right here and there. And immediately issues begin coming into my life that I sometimes don’t do. I find yourself with the worst interval, proper? After which I find yourself with lumpy breasts and lumps on my breast, proper? For me, it’s all the time been a really fear-based subject till I began doing plenty of issues round it. And now I’ve this factor the place it’s like, okay, I’ve lined plenty of my bases. Possibly not every little thing, however plenty of my bases, and I’m doing what I can to reduce the chance. And so now it’s extra coming from a spot of empowerment and confidence quite than be if I discover one thing, one thing immediately hurts.
I haven’t discovered a lump, really, in years, however I had a taking pictures ache right here the opposite day, and I used to be identical to, there’s a second of concern, proper, and paralysis, however then I simply do what I have to do. Issues like apply magnesium, apply the oils that we have now, apply Comfortable Sisters, the cream that we formulated. And it’s identical to every little thing simply comes down within the again to. So I feel it’s simply actually transferring from a spot of concern to transferring to a spot of empowerment. It’s like, as a substitute of fearing, I really feel like concern will be actually nice, and anger is usually a actually good power to push us ahead, to take sure actions and steps, proper? So long as we don’t keep in a spot of anger and concern for a very long time. For me, that was the explanation why we formulated Comfortable Sisters. So I can take it, and plenty of different girls can take it. So that you don’t hear your self say, oh, yeah, my mother died of breast most cancers. My sister has misplaced her uterus. Proper. My aunt doesn’t have a gall bladder, they usually’re additionally estrogenic, and it runs within the household. It doesn’t run within the household. You’re simply predisposed to it, proper? However there’s so many issues you are able to do with the life-style adjustments after which including a few issues on prime of that’s prevention. And also you’re going to be in a extremely good place, together with simply feeling actually good about your self and your selections.
Katie: Yeah. And I feel that recommendation ripples out into each side of well being and towards our mindset, actually, in that, such as you mentioned, these will be nice motivators. But additionally if we will then transfer past that and are available from a spot of self love and respect for our our bodies and love for our our bodies, we see this even with girls within the eating regimen tradition. Like if we will break that that deprivation or that concern mindset in relation to any side of our our bodies, whether or not it’s what we eat or how we’re caring for them and transferring to that place of affection, it’s simply going to be a way more highly effective response in our physique as nicely. And it’s coming from a more healthy place. But additionally, these is usually a good motivator, they usually aren’t dangerous in and of themselves. It’s identical to you mentioned, not getting caught there both.
Magdalena: Yeah. Simply transferring on to it. And for me, transferring ahead with this was formulating, such as you talked about, Comfortable Sisters. That’s principally a equipment that comprises a complement. And it’s obtained the cream. So let me simply discuss concerning the cream. One of many cool issues concerning the cream is that it took us the longest time to formulate it. And you recognize, Katie, since you formulate your individual merchandise, this is usually a two 12 months course of generally it’s obtained this good pinkish coloration hue to it.
And the cool factor about it’s that considered one of my largest briefs for the formulator is to have all this, like, we have now castor oil in right here and all of the herbs that I talked about, we have now GLA for gamalinic acid. We don’t use India primrose oil, however we use one other one from borracho seed, which is even higher for GLA. And St. John’s Wort, and Nigella sativa, which is black cumin oil in right here. Proper. So just a few actually fantastic and it smells divine. And one of many threat was that it has to soak up inside lower than 5 minutes. So the entire goal was that you simply put it on and if you wish to fall asleep, you’re not going to be like having oil throughout or when you had been off to begin your day, you may placed on the bra. In actual fact, once I’m touching this now, it’s nearly gone. After which you might put in your bra after which begin the day actually shortly.
And the complement, when the complement was formulated, due to this fact, it comprises all DIM, sulforaphane, calcium D-glucarate, has obtained tons of magnesium. It’s obtained pink root to maneuver your lymphatic system. It’s obtained andrographis right here as nicely. We’ve discovered that andrographis really lets you break estrogens as nicely. It’s obtained pink clover, which is girls’s tonic. It additionally helps with estrogen. So fast aid from a cream. And for the complement is simply, like, extra of handle the foundation explanation for the problem in order that it helps your physique metabolize estrogen higher. And it does include, like, slightly spendy. So it’s like slightly tent. You may put this collectively, put it on the lavatory, on the stands so you may discover ways to therapeutic massage your breast. You do that three or 4 instances and you may throw this away, proper, or present it to somebody. Yeah. After which it comes with this cool booklet in order that tells you what each herb is and why we used it. I simply wish to present you one graphic as a result of I feel it’s sort of, my group got here up with this concept. It’s obtained all types of various boobs, and it says right here, we’ve made Comfortable Sisters for all types of sisters.
Katie: I really like that. And I’ll make certain these are linked within the present notes as nicely. For all of you guys listening on the go, every little thing together with the notes I’ve been taking are at wellnessmama.fm. You could find it there in case you are strolling, exercising, or driving when you’re listening. And a few final questions I’d like to ask on the finish of interviews. The primary being if there’s a e book or variety of books which have profoundly impacted your life, and in that case, what they’re and why.
Magdalena: Yeah, gosh, I ought to have ready higher for this. I forgot to organize for this one, to be completely sincere with you. I feel there was one which it was really, unusually sufficient,
it’s a enterprise e book that I learn in my early 20s, however one way or the other had an affect on me until as we speak. And it’s referred to as, “What They Don’t Educate You at a Harvard Enterprise College”. And one of many issues that it was written by a man who principally created the entire sports activities advertising and marketing factor. However the level of it was that I feel one of many issues that resonated with me and stayed with me ceaselessly is what he mentioned, that luck doesn’t occur. And I really feel like with well being, it’s like most of us, until you could have, like, tremendous robust genes and stuff and nothing will contact you, the entire level was that luck doesn’t occur. You create luck for your self.
And the explanation why he mentioned that’s as a result of it’s such as you listening to this podcast, proper, or following Katie’s work or going to some sort of a girls’s gathering, such as you’re exposing your self to extra info and alternatives to essentially assist your self. And this actually applies to something in life, proper? Since you go on the market and also you community with folks and you’re pleasant in the direction of folks and also you’re serving to different folks and also you’re variety, proper? After which immediately folks come to you they usually think about, like, you lose your job and immediately all these alternatives present up. Proper. And it doesn’t come from wherever. It simply comes from the truth that we actually create these alternatives for ourselves and we find yourself saying it was simply luck. The reality is that we really set all of it up. In order that was all the time one thing that stayed with me.
Katie: I really like that. And alongside that line of considering, is any parting recommendation for the listeners as we speak that might be associated to every little thing we’ve talked about or simply fully unrelated life recommendation?
Magdalena: Yeah. So I’d say your breast that’s talking, in case your breasts are in ache, they’re swollen, you’ve obtained a historical past of lumps. Take heed to that. It’s like your breast is saying to you, I want your assist. We’d like your assist, your sisters want your assist, and do one thing about it. And the possibilities should not solely your breasts are going to really feel higher, however plenty of different issues in your life that’s going to begin feeling so significantly better.
Katie: Superior. Effectively, Magdalena, thanks a lot to your time as we speak. I do know I realized so much. I’m excited to maintain making an attempt your merchandise and to implement a few of these issues that we talked about as we speak. And I’m guessing a number of girls listening are taking notes and likewise going to do the identical. So thanks a lot for being right here.
Magdalena: I thanks a lot for simply creating a lot consciousness about this subject that’s not that’s so widespread, however it’s not regular.
Katie: Sure, to loop proper again to the start. Frequent however not regular. And thanks for working to vary it. And thanks, as all the time, to all of you for listening and sharing your most dear sources, your time, your power and your consideration with us as we speak. We’re each so grateful that you simply did and I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the subsequent episode of The Wellness Mama Podcast.
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