Dr. Amy Myers on a Functional Take on Gut Health, Thyroid Health & Reducing Autoimmunity

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Katie: Howdy and welcome to the Wellness Mama podcast. I’m Katie from WellnessMama.com. And this episode is all a couple of purposeful drugs tackle intestine well being, thyroid well being, and decreasing autoimmunity with Dr. Amy Myers. And we go in quite a lot of instructions on this podcast. She is a two-time bestselling writer and internationally acclaimed medical and purposeful drugs doctor who focuses on empowering these with autoimmune, thyroid and digestive points to take again their well being and reverse their situation. And he or she additionally did two and a half years with the Peace Corps in Paraguay.

And he or she set off on a journey that might lead her to later launch her now well-known purposeful drugs clinic and her instructional content material and line of packages that you will discover on-line. And we go deep about quite a lot of her specialty on this, together with her personal drastic story with typical drugs and why she feels it failed her and the way she’s vowed to assist it not fail individuals sooner or later. We discuss in regards to the frequent triggers and causes within the rise of continual illness, why she defines autoimmunity as a spectrum and the commonalities amongst them, how you can know the place you’re on the spectrum. She talks in regards to the 5 elements that may contribute, that are toxins, infections, intestine points, weight loss program and stress, why three quarters of the triggers and causes usually are not genetic and are inside our management to vary.

We discuss in regards to the energy of the thoughts and the way a lot our internal voice pertains to well being, and he or she shares in all probability essentially the most profound instance of this I’ve heard. She talks about her 4 pillars of purposeful well being, how you can tackle and take away toxins within the physique, how our intestine cells flip over each 24-48 hours to allow them to truly restore in a short time, why we’d like a variety of meals for intestine variety, together with issues like greens, spices, and herbs, and when to keep away from fermented meals, how you can know which plant meals are greatest in your particular genes and ancestral wants, how seasonal consuming may also help with intestine well being, and how you can apply the 80/20 precept to optimum residing. So let’s leap in with Dr. Amy Myers. Dr. Amy, welcome. Thanks a lot for being right here.

Dr Amy Myers: Thanks for having me, Katie. I’m tremendous excited.

Katie: Me too, I really feel like this dialog is lengthy overdue and I’m extraordinarily excited to study from you right now. I believe to begin off broad, some background on you may truly be essentially the most useful start line for this dialog since you’ve mentioned that typical drugs failed you and also you’re on a mission to maintain it from failing different individuals. And I believe your story illustrates a very profound purpose why you do the work that you simply do. So let’s begin there. How did you get into this, what’s now your complete world and this work that you simply do?

Dr Amy Myers: Yeah, nicely, it’s a really lengthy story, however to make it brief, I grew up with mother and father that had been very holistic. My father was a professor of Asian research. My mom taught yoga and jogged again within the 70s. And so if we had been ever sick, which was very hardly ever, he took Chinese language herbs. My mom was very accustomed to the microbiome, made selfmade yogurt after we had been little, selfmade complete wheat bread. So I form of grew up with this. My mom taught yoga, meditation, despatched me to Transcendental Meditation after I was in highschool. So I form of grew up in a, I wouldn’t classify them as hippies, however simply form of, you understand, that sort of world.

And I went to varsity, thought I used to be gonna be a psychologist on the finish, determined that I wasn’t gonna try this and have become a banker of all issues. After which learn a e-book known as, The Street Much less Traveled, it actually resonated with me about form of going on the market and never doing what everyone else is doing. And for no matter purpose, I all the time had a ardour to provide and to assist. And so I joined the Peace Corps truly after I was 25. And on my approach right down to the Peace Corps, I learn a e-book by Andrew Weil, Spontaneous Therapeutic, and it bought me reinvigorated by way of pure therapeutic, herbs, issues like that. Taught myself yoga down within the Peace Corps.

Lengthy story brief, got here again and determined I wished to be a health care provider. I truly moved out to Seattle to go to doubtlessly naturopathic medical faculty. And after working with some medical doctors there, realized that even in Seattle, the standard medical doctors and the naturopathic medical doctors had been getting paid otherwise and simply seen otherwise. And I assumed, nicely, that is sort of odd as a result of I’m out within the place the place they’ve this faculty they usually’re purported to be actually revered. And so anyway, I made the choice to go to allopathic medical faculty, however with the concept I might find yourself doing one thing holistic, pure on the finish of all of it. So I took all my electives of an integrative drugs. I began a complimentary and different curiosity group. We even began a program on the college. I went to LSU in New Orleans.

And my second yr of medical faculty, I began getting panic assaults. I used to be dropping pounds quickly whereas consuming, you understand, Ezekiel bread and vegan butter at evening, to not get up, two kilos thinner. And at last had this tremor that despatched me to the physician and he or she brushed me off and mentioned, oh, that is medical faculty stress. Your second yr, you’re studying all these illnesses and also you simply suppose you have got all of them. And I mentioned, wait a minute. I imply, I actually lived in the course of nowhere earlier than cell telephones or something within the Peace Corps. My mom had died unexpectedly of pancreatic most cancers in 4 months proper after I bought again from the Peace Corps. It’s like, I don’t deal with stress like this. This isn’t stress, one thing’s fallacious with me.

So I demanded a workup and he or she known as me again a few weeks later and I don’t suppose she actually apologized and he or she mentioned, oh, you have got Graves’ illness, which is an autoimmune dysfunction of your thyroid. And that was what was making all of my signs, the insomnia, the burden loss, the entire tremor, the whole lot. And so I used to be given three horrible selections. One was to have my thyroid blown up like Hiroshima. The opposite was to take actually poisonous remedy. And the opposite one was to have my thyroid reduce out.

So I went again to my roots and I did Chinese language drugs for a few months and I didn’t actually see a distinction in that. In the meantime, I used to be consuming numerous gluten and vegan cheeses. I used to be a vegetarian and on and off vegan for 27 years. After which in the end I succumbed and I mentioned, all proper, I’ll take the remedy. It appears to be the lesser of all of those evils. Inside a few weeks, I used to be feeling horrible. My pores and skin was dry, my hair was falling out, I used to be fatigued. Went again to the physician and I used to be advised that I used to be one in 1,000,000 and I had poisonous hepatitis from the medication. So I rapidly needed to get off of that. I practically needed to drop out of medical faculty as a result of I needed to go get in mattress and my liver was destroying itself from this remedy, and mainly had to determine was I then gonna have my thyroid blown up or have it ripped out surgically.

I reached out to Andrew Weil, I regarded in all of the analysis, I may discover nothing that gave me an alternate or pure strategy to this. So I made the toughest choice of my life and I had my thyroid radioactively ablated.

And after that, I used to be nonetheless in medical faculty. I graduated, I grew to become an ER doctor at Shock Trauma in Maryland, after which in the end an ER doctor right here in Austin, Texas. And… In the future I simply mentioned, I’ve bought to get again to my roots. I imply, although they, typical drugs, handled my graves by blowing up my thyroid, and now I don’t have a thyroid, there’s gotta be one thing higher. I’ve gotta get again to. I went to medical faculty within the first place.

So I went to a convention about purposeful drugs, which is absolutely attending to the basis of why you have got sure circumstances, notably autoimmunity and determining how you can appropriate imbalances at that route and in the end hopefully reversing or therapeutic, no matter’s occurring with you. So that basically resonated with me and why I wished to go to medical faculty to start with. And so I dove straight in and ultimately opened up a world famend purposeful drugs clinic.

I left the ER, wrote a number of books, that are behind me and, and, you understand, went full drive into purposeful drugs and now helped actually lots of of hundreds of individuals world wide, however definitely hundreds of individuals with Graves illness reverse their situation and never must do what I did. In order that’s why I say it’s my typical drugs failed me and is my mission to not have it fail you too. In order that was a little bit of a protracted story, however that’s how I bought to turning into a purposeful drugs doctor after which in the end now proudly owning a well being and wellness firm. As you understand, Amy Myers MD.

Katie: Oh, and there’s so many particular instructions I wish to go on this, as a result of I do know there are various individuals listening who’ve some type of auto-immunity or thyroid points. There are undoubtedly individuals going via intestine points. And I additionally know that there are in all probability some frequent themes that run all through quite a lot of these issues. So I’d love to speak first about what you see as a few of the huge triggers or contributors to the rise throughout the board in quite a lot of these issues that we’re seeing definitely in America, however in different elements of the world as nicely.

Dr Amy Myers: So by way of all continual circumstances and autoimmunity, so I write about in my first e-book, the autoimmune answer, I used to be the individual that coined the phrase, the autoimmune spectrum. So by that’s, you have got somebody down right here with little to no irritation, and then you definately’re working your approach up larger on the spectrum with extra irritation all the way in which to full blown continual autoimmunity.

Now there are in all probability only a few individuals have completely no irritation as we all know, infants are being born with toxins and whatnot on the earth, however most of us sit someplace on this spectrum all the way in which as much as continual illness or continual autoimmunity. And there are 5 elements that I write about in each of my books, and that’s toxins, infections, our intestine, leaky intestine, meals, since our weight loss program, and stress. And so I can stroll via every of those and the way they’ve actually all of those areas have exploded for many people. We all know that there are extra toxins on the earth than there’ve ever been, proper? We all know that now taking a look at research with wire blood that there are various, many toxins already in utero when a child is born. So, and people toxins are rising each day. And if you would like, we will get into why that’s.

We’re, you understand, quite a lot of youngsters are already being, infants are being born with leaky guts. Extra youngsters are being born with C-sections. Extra mothers are getting antibiotics, you understand, when in utero and getting these toxins, consuming a weight loss program that’s inflammatory. So infants are already being born with, you understand, little intestine microbiome or a disturbed microbiome with C-sections and simply, you understand, how we’re going via the world.

Our weight loss program, we, you understand, processed meals. We had been simply at an enormous water park yesterday and searching round, I imply, the variety of those that I noticed that had been simply in weight. And I imply, I’m not even speaking trying match was only a few. So we’re already, you understand, we’re many, many individuals in our society now are simply consuming very inflammatory diets with these overly processed meals. As you understand, the wheat has been modified. And so there’s extra gluten in our wheat. There’s roundup in our meals. And so we’re already having inflammatory meals. Leaky guys had been having extra toxins.

We’re residing in a wired world. We now have EMFs bombarding as now we have our cell telephones on always had been accessible. The stressors going through us on daily basis of simply elevated as nicely. After which infections an increasing number of infections, proper? I imply, we noticed, you understand, with the pandemic with Covid. I imply, now we have these Infections, whether or not they’re viruses, the Parasites, their micro organism, they’re turning into tremendous bugs, they’re turning into reactivated, they’re turning into, you understand, they’re residing inside ourselves and presumably getting reactivated over time. How many individuals are you aware which have had COVID a number of instances? So what’s that doing to our immune methods?

And definitely, I hope on this dialog, we’ll get into the options as a result of I’d by no means prefer to, inform individuals huge, scary ideas and that, and simply to get them overwhelmed as a result of I’m actually a options oriented individual.

However these are the issues that I see which can be actually contributing to autoimmunity and simply continual irritation that’s resulting in, weight problems that’s resulting in… dysregulation of our metabolism that’s resulting in diabetes, you understand, all of those very continual and admittedly preventable illnesses that now we have now.

Katie: Yeah, such as you, I believe this can be a very multifaceted downside. And I like that you simply take a multifaceted strategy as a result of I’ve seen many individuals wanna deal with simply a type of areas. And definitely if it had been simply weight loss program, I take a look at the info and say like, our diets truly haven’t modified sufficient to justify the rise in weight problems, even alone or diabetes. There’s clearly many elements contributing, but additionally I do know, and I do know you converse to this rather a lot as nicely. Such as you mentioned, there are various options and there nonetheless is capability to stay optimally when you have got the information to try this.

I additionally really feel such as you had been forward of the development, you and your mother and father with the meditation facet, you talked about stress being an enormous issue. And never that that’s by any means a cure-all, however I might say the overwhelming majority of people that come on this podcast even talked about meditation as being a very worthwhile instrument. And we all know that like psychological well being and mindset additionally impacts our bodily physique and the analysis appears to simply improve on that. I might guess many individuals can also resonate with even your story of getting to demand a workup out of your physician. I hear from so many mothers and girls who know one thing’s fallacious and are disregarded. I had the identical expertise being advised the whole lot’s fantastic, your thyroid is regular and having to demand very particular exams to even get a solution.

After which from there to determine options largely by myself, as a result of I didn’t have a you shut by in my early phases that might assist me get there extra rapidly. So I like that we now have a lot extra info and other people such as you who’re serving to individuals get particular focused info. I’d like to go just a little deeper past, I like as an example, that you simply outline autoimmunity as a spectrum. I believe that’s a very useful instrument versus a easy sure or no, do or don’t sort of reply.

However then inside that, there are such a lot of classes of autoimmunity. So are there frequent causes that may sort of present up within the physique otherwise based mostly on genetics as an example, or do issues appear to line up with like particular triggers creating extra particular forms of autoimmunity?

Dr Amy Myers: It is a nice query. I imply, the analysis exhibits that, you understand, actually solely 20% is genetic based mostly. I imply, again within the day, we thought as all of us, I’m positive you’ve talked many instances in your podcast about epigenetics. You had this gene, you bought this illness. We now know that these genes could be turned on and off, and these SNPs. And we all know that folks, even with out the genes for Celiac, can truly get Celiac. So it’s not all in regards to the genes. The truth is, about 75% of it’s these environmental elements that I simply talked about. And in order that’s truly essentially the most empowering a part of all of this, is that’s in your management.

And that’s actually what I speak about in all of my books is about, as a substitute of getting encumbered by all of this info, take into consideration that, two thirds or three fourths of it’s in your management and issues that you are able to do to vary, which is how we’re in a position to reverse autoimmunity.

So again to the autoimmune, I imply, I may see three individuals with, let’s simply say Hashimoto’s or Graves. And the explanation that these three individuals have that very same illness may very well be for vastly totally different causes. One may actually simply have a gluten sensitivity and leaky intestine and we get them off gluten, heal their intestine and their antibodies are reversing for Hashimoto’s.

The opposite may very well be that they’re in a, very nerve-racking relationship and a horrible job and stress is their greatest set off they usually even have a gluten sensitivity. After which the third individual may have all 5 of them. I imply, I do know that all through my lifetime and issues have come and gone, I undoubtedly had all 5. And by the point I used to be seeing individuals with seven, eight autoimmune circumstances, in fact they often had all 5.

However in typical drugs, as we’re taught to listen to a illness, title the illness, give a drug, we’re not even thought to ask about what’s occurring or search for the deeper root trigger. However even when we had been, I’m positive they might be saying, oh, nicely, it’s Hashimoto’s and these are your solely causes. And it’s merely not true. I imply, I noticed it day in and day trip in my clinic of simply, how individuals are coming.

Now, I might say based mostly on the literature and the analysis of Alessio Fasano, given gluten and autoimmunity and the speculation behind molecular mimicry, and in case your listeners don’t know what that’s, I’m comfortable to enter it, I do advocate that everyone who’s on the spectrum has antibodies or has truly been identified with autoimmunity get off of gluten due to these cross-reactivity on this molecular mimicry. It’s so very robust, notably with thyroid circumstances or autoimmune thyroid circumstances. In order that’s why I did point out gluten in every of these examples as a result of the correlation is so excessive that I do advocate everyone who has autoimmunity be off of gluten.

Katie: That is smart. And definitely like my mother and father, as an example, have seen that change themselves as they’ve gotten older they usually benefited from going off gluten. Although I do hear from lots of people that discover in sure different locations on the earth, they really appear to just do fantastic with sure meals that they can not eat within the U.S. And I’m curious when you’ve had expertise with that and if you understand any of the explanation why is the meals provide that totally different elsewhere in comparison with the U.S.?

Dr Amy Myers: Yeah, so I too have heard that and I’ve traveled to Europe however due to my historical past and what I do know, I don’t tempt destiny and I don’t eat gluten after I’m in another country. I definitely heard that point and time once more from sufferers in my clinic that they did that. However I additionally had a girl who was identified with polymyositis and he or she was doing very nicely. After which she went to Europe and he or she ate a bunch of gluten and didn’t really feel prefer it affected her however then she got here again and had a really huge flare. So in case you are identified with full-blown autoimmunity, I nonetheless wouldn’t advocate that you simply try this. Nonetheless, the speculation behind that is that they’ve a lot, let’s simply take Europe for instance, a lot stricter legal guidelines about utilizing Roundup, about genetically modifying their meals. They’re utilizing historical grains. They’re not utilizing the identical stage of pesticides. Normally, they’re consuming a more healthy weight loss program however apparently the wheat is extra of our historical wheat.

And simply to remind your listeners, so what occurred with our wheat is we didn’t modify it. We hybridized it. And after we hybridized it, it meant that this may very well be develop heartier, it may develop greater nevertheless it additionally had extra gluten in our wheat. And in order that’s actually a part of the issue is, and then you definately add Roundup on prime of it, which is meant to, you understand, improve the permeability of your mind, your intestine, the entire toxins with Roundup disrupt your microbiome, then we actually have this downside, proper? I imply, it’s not, it’s that our wheat has extra gluten in it, it’s that it’s crammed with Roundup, it’s that we’re residing with leaky guts, most of us, after which we’re consuming a lot extra gluten.

So it’s in the whole lot, not simply bread. It’s from our shampoos to the many of the sushi that has crab meat in it’s not actual crab meat, it’s truly a glutinous, you understand, it’s truly all gluten to create this mock crab meat, for instance. So we’re simply getting uncovered on so many alternative ranges and in such a extra intense approach than our mother and father or definitely our grandparents or nice grandparents.

Katie: And I’d like to now begin going via out of your ethos, the answer targeted form of information and contact factors of a few of these totally different circumstances. As a result of like I mentioned, I do know many individuals listening have or are experiencing a few of them.

And I might say going in a single unrelated tip that I all the time give to start with of this dialog is I realized to shift my, even my speech and the way I discuss to myself from as a substitute of claiming, “I’ve Hashimoto’s”, I might say “I’m therapeutic from Hashimoto’s” simply because I really feel just like the mindset is a large piece as nicely. However on that word, I really feel prefer it’s actually useful to have the instruments to understand how we’re going to heal from these numerous issues.

And also you’ve talked about intestine well being as a foundational factor to quite a lot of totally different circumstances. So I’d love to begin there and listen to out of your perspective, what are a few of the key issues that folks want to pay attention to and keep away from in the case of intestine well being? And what are a few of the key form of universally helpful issues we will do to enhance our intestine well being?

Dr Amy Myers: Yeah, if I could digress to 1 story that hints to your speaks to your chatting with your self and it’s a very highly effective story of a girl in my clinic who had vitiligo and he or she had. She had moved right here from Africa and he or she labored and he or she had been beneath a really abusive excessive state of affairs and was in a position to come into the nation due to that. After which she felt her want to provide again to the individuals of her nation that had been additionally my immigrating into, into america was to be an interpreter.

And what I realized from talking along with her was that she needed to, as an interpreter in a court docket of legislation, you need to say, I this and I that not they, you need to be the individual to interpret. And so what I spotted after going via many visits with this girl and never making quite a lot of progress is that I assumed that she was taking over every of these individuals’s tales by saying, I, I this, I that. So she was reliving, although it was their trauma, she was reliving it as if it was her personal trauma. And I prompt that she wanted to surrender her profession or her job. She didn’t take that frivolously, however anyway, about six months later, she known as again or emailed me again and mentioned that she lastly did and her vitiligo was beginning to resolve. So it’s simply chatting with what you had been saying and the facility of the thoughts of setting your self up for these, setting your physique, getting ready your physique in any respect ranges, getting ready yourselves for therapeutic. And that journey could be very totally different for everybody.

So again to the intestine. Properly, let me say that I’ve 4 pillars within the Myers approach, which is this system that I got here up with after working with tens of hundreds of sufferers. And the primary one is to eliminate gluten, grains and legumes. And I discussed the molecular mimicry with gluten grains. I do know legumes, you’ve in all probability talked about this extensively, can have anti-nutrient properties. They will have lectins in them, issues that may irritate the intestine. I used to be a vegetarian for 27 years. I imply, I had quite a lot of intestine dysbiosis occurring.

After which there are infections equivalent to Candida, SIBO which can be consumed carbs, even when they’re wholesome carbs as beans and rice and issues like that. So I do advocate that folks give these items up, gluten indefinitely, however the grains and legumes, no less than for days or longer until they begin, heal your intestine after which we will dive into you particularly. There’s a 4 hour program with therapeutic your intestine and we’ll dive into that and the specifics that I exploit.

Then we wish to tame the toxins and that’s actually about, look we stay in a poisonous world. So I like to recommend if you’ll be able to, to create an setting at residence, at your workplace, wherever you’re spending most time, that filters these. How can we get toxins? Properly, we breathe them in, we get them in via our pores and skin and we ingest them in. So having HEPA air filters in your house when you can, having water filtration not simply at your faucet but additionally you understand in your showers, utilizing all-natural toxin-free cleansing merchandise and sweetness merchandise after which you understand ensuring you’re consuming natural. So did I get via pores and skin, breathe, yeah okay.

And then you definately wish to work to get them out, that’s my two-step course of. So that you wish to, how do you get them out? You pee them out, you poop them out, you sweat them out. So that you wish to be sure you’re peeing and pooping on daily basis, you wish to be sure you’re exercising or doing infrared sauna, one thing to sweat on daily basis when you can. After which you understand I exploit two dietary supplements that in fact now we have glutathione and coconut charcoal. So acetylated glutathione, it is advisable to guarantee that it’s acetylated. Some individuals use liposomal, I examined all of them in my clinic. I want an acetylated glutathione for me personally and what I noticed discovered work greatest. After which you understand in order that pulls the toxins out after which one thing like coconut charcoal goes to bind it. So peeing, pooping, sweating each single day.

Then we wish to relieve our stress. I don’t say, you understand, eliminate your stress or, you understand, as a result of we stay in a nerve-racking world and you may’t simply say, okay, I’m not gonna be harassed. You’ve bought to seek out methods to provide pause. So I’ve relieve stress and heal infections. And relieving stress is absolutely in regards to the issues that we talked about. And look, I realized meditation, you understand, 30-something years in the past and I don’t all the time try this on daily basis. So it’s discovering what works for you, proper? I imply, is {that a} stroll for me? I do quite a lot of swimming. It’s the one place, hyperbaric and swimming, it’s the one place no person can trouble me and get to me. So these are huge stress relievers for me, however it is advisable to discover what works for you, your downtime.

After which the infections are these continual infections equivalent to Epstein-Barr, herpes, these latent infections that may reactivate a continual Lyme and coping with these infections. And, you understand, I can undergo some methods if you would like for these as nicely.

In order that’s the 4 pillars. After which again to therapeutic your intestine, which is among the main elements of one of many second pillar of the 4 pillar program. And there’s form of the 4R strategy, which I’m positive you’ve had lots of people speaking about. However once more, the very first thing is to take away. And what are you eradicating? It’s again to those meals. You wanna take away gluten, you wanna dairy. Gluten and dairy are the 2 most inflammatory meals, however sugars, processed meals, meals dyes, GMOs, I imply, you wish to get these items out of your weight loss program.

And most significantly, you wanna take away any infections which can be in your intestine. And that is totally different than these continual infections. That is SIBO, Candida, Parasites. And definitely you probably have auto-immunity, very uncommon, I noticed anybody that didn’t have one or each of these. And so they’ve now turn into, when you’re on social media, everyone’s speaking about SIBO and Candida. I imply, again after I was, you understand, you talked about I used to be one of many originals. I imply, I used to be, I imply, again after I was speaking about these things 10-15 years in the past, there weren’t many individuals speaking about this. And I noticed it extensively in my clinic, eliminating SIBO, eliminating Candida. We are able to additionally stroll via how, you understand, I’m comfortable to share precisely how to try this.

And then you definately wish to exchange something that’s lacking. So are you low in abdomen acid? Lots of people are, you understand, they’ve been taking acid blockers. You want that acid to kill off Parasites. You want that acid to kill off SIBO, to kill off Candida. You want that acid, in fact, to interrupt down your proteins and the remainder of your meals. Do you want digestive enzymes? Lots of people are low of their digestive enzymes as a result of they’ve been consuming horrible continual diets, or they’ve been on continual PPIs, or different drugs which have, you understand, prevented their precise, you understand, their pancreas and their gallbladder from truly working. So I changed these issues. Generally that’s quickly, typically that’s, you understand, very long-term, however quite a lot of instances as individuals start to heal, they’ll get off of those dietary supplements. However in my expertise, it’s, it’s, you understand, it may be, you understand, intensive on the, you understand, complement and dietary way of life change to start with. After which, you understand, as you progress down the spectrum, you possibly can see the place you possibly can unencumber.

You wish to… you wish to re-inoculate with a very good top quality, excessive dose probiotic. Now, when you’re coping with Candida, I like to recommend now we have 100 billion unit probiotic. In case you’re coping with SIBO although, I like to recommend a soil-based probiotic as a result of SIBO is Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth and that may usually be an overgrowth of lactobacillus. And most traditional probiotics or top quality, no matter, have lactobacillus in them and ours do as a result of it’s the primary micro organism in our intestine. And in order that’s the place I differ on these two.

After which we truly wish to, take away, reinoculate, nicely, I suppose restore. And I’m doing that usually. Your intestine cells flip over each 24-48 hours. So that they’re gonna restore usually on their very own. However I sometimes advocate that folks do one thing to assist this course of jumpstart this course of. And now we have a product known as Leaky Intestine Revive. It’s truly one among our primary merchandise. And it’s 3000 milligrams of L-glutamine, which is the amino acid that helps your cells rejuvenate, but additionally what now we have within the product is quite a lot of various things that assist you to supply mucus. So if you consider your intestine, what’s it? I imply, it’s a mucus membrane. And lots of people are lacking that mucus or have the mucus stage has been disturbed. So it’s slippery elm, marshmallow root, Deglycyrrhizinated licorice to assist your physique create extra mucus in all the GI tract.

And so these are the 4 issues that I do to assist restore your intestine well being. And sometimes the following query is, do I’ve to do these items eternally? , it actually will depend on the place you’re trying and the place you’re on that spectrum. And, you understand, I take Leaky Intestine Revive, many, many days of the week. We stay in a poisonous world and I simply, you understand, to maintain myself in addition to a probiotic and digestive enzyme, so.

Katie: Yeah. So I took so many notes on that. I like additionally that you simply speak about that simplification course of that usually it’s the taking away of the publicity and it’s not typically that now we have to essentially accomplish that many sophisticated issues as soon as we perceive the issue.

And that I like additionally that you simply discuss a lot in regards to the physique form of being designed to heal and that it regenerates and that it’s meant to maneuver towards therapeutic if we assist it in doing that. And that story you advised about her internal discuss might be essentially the most profound instance I’ve heard of that. That’s unbelievable.

Additionally from a intestine well being perspective, I might love your sort of affirm or deny from a health care provider’s perspective. There’s additionally been on like Instagram and TikTok, quite a lot of circulating speak about how we’d like variety in what we do eat to assist sort of tradition the correct stability of intestine micro organism. So that you talked about avoiding the triggers like gluten and dairy and legumes, but additionally it looks as if quite a lot of us are consuming sort of only a very slender vary of plant meals and that we will profit from a wider vary of greens and crops and spices which have totally different advantages. Do you agree with that evaluation and issues like fermented meals being helpful as nicely?

Dr Amy Myers: Yep, so the brief reply is sure, and I’ll get to fermented meals in a second, and if I get off on a tangent, please remind me. However so yeah, I imply, and likewise there’s even, relying on the place your ancestry’s from as to what microbiota could be in numerous proportions inside your intestine, in your microbiome. So individuals who stay in Asia or descendants of Asia, Africa versus United States, are you largely European? There are ancestrally totally different microbiota, and so there are various exams. I don’t know when you’re related to one like microbiome or Viome or someplace else, so you probably have one that you simply advocate. Look, they’re all, it’s fairly new analysis, so there’s quite a lot of debate about how correct these items are. They are often useful although, however not solely would you like variety inside your personal intestine, you wanna just be sure you’re getting the range that’s meant in your ancestral historical past.

And in order that could be very sophisticated, and understanding that, and so utilizing a few of these exams, I believe that they are often good as a information. And sure, if we’re trying again to how we ate, our ancestors ate, they didn’t have the, as you understand, stroll into the grocery retailer or Instacart and have somebody ship your recent berries to you all yr spherical. We ate a a lot wider number of a weight loss program and we stopped and began numerous issues relying on once they had been in season. And that allowed for variety simply inherently since you ate what was accessible to you. So sure, I imply, look, all of us, even these of us on this world, proper, the place I consider I’m, definitely we’re busy, we’re creatures of habits, we all know what we like. It’s tremendous simple, you select meal plans and also you repeat them time and again. However sure, ideally we’d all be consuming much more variety.

Again to the fermented meals, I consider that I differ right here than many individuals. And this once more relies on my expertise as a clinician working with hundreds of sufferers, which is since most individuals, no less than that I noticed with auto-immunity had been coming in with SIBO and Candida, I don’t advocate fermented meals proper off the bat. And this was a really, you understand, paleo fx. I believe that’s the place you and I truly met, you understand, and I spoke there for a lot of, a few years, and I might all the time have individuals come as much as me afterwards and say, I began consuming all these fermented meals as a result of everyone right here is telling me to try this. And I bought all this fuel and all this bloating and I really feel depressing.

Properly, fermented meals is supposed to, I like to consider your intestine sort of like as a fish bowl. And it’s fish meals to feed all of the fish, that are the great micro organism and micro organism, I imply, unhealthy micro organism. You might have good micro organism, unhealthy micro organism, just a little little bit of yeast, perhaps some Parasites in your intestine. In a great world, it’s residing there harmoniously in an ideal stability. When these items get out of stability, when you’re feeding in fish meals, then the Candida, the SIBO, they’re gonna eat this up as nicely. So that’s the excellent instance. In case you begin to take a prebiotic, you are taking fermented meals and also you’re studying someplace and you are taking that and also you get bloated, you have got fuel, you don’t really feel nicely, it may very well be that you simply took an excessive amount of, however usually, and it is advisable to begin off slowly, usually that to me tells me that you’ve Candida or SIBO or each as a result of it’s feeding these infections.

So my suggestion for my sufferers and what I like to recommend in all of my articles is to carry off on the fermented meals and the prebiotics and all that stuff, eliminate these infections. When you’ve gotten rid of those infections, you’ve gotten your microbiome cleaned out to mainly all the great things, then begin including within the fish meals, begin including within the prebiotics, begin including within the fermented meals and assist to flourish and reestablish and hold that microbiome in stability.

Katie: And I do know that it looks as if SIBO and Candida are recurring themes. I’m assuming you see these a complete lot in your clinic. Some other suggestions particular to these and or simply signs that folks may… to concentrate to, that might be a sign that that might be a very good factor to see you probably have.

Dr Amy Myers: Yeah, okay. So sure, after writing a thyroid e-book and an autoimmune e-book, the primary factor that folks come to us for is SIBO and Candida. So I might love to speak about these.

So first, Candida is Candida overgrowth. All of us have just a little little bit of Candida, however that is when it will get overgrown. So what are some set off phrases for me? Mind fog. That if I hear mind fog, primary factor that I’m pondering, moreover perhaps gluten sensitivity, is Candida, unexplained rashes, itchy rashes, belongings you’ve gone to the dermatologist, they don’t know once they’re like put a cream on it. That usually is candida. Psoriasis, eczema normally has a candida underline. After all, you probably have recurrent yeast infections, you have got recurrent dandruff, issues like that, that’s yeast. So, after which, so fuel, bloating, diarrhea, constipation, you possibly can have any of those, however usually it’s these pores and skin points and the mind fog is the primary factor I consider.

How do I take care of candida? You go on a low carb weight loss program, a candida authorised weight loss program, and also you’re not, in my view, consuming these fermented meals. You’re undoubtedly eliminating sugars and carbs. After which what I exploit for my sufferers, now we have a candida equipment and program, so I created two dietary supplements. One, Candefense, and the opposite is Caprylic Acid. Caprylic Acid comes from coconut. It’s the acid within the coconut, so it sort of pokes these holes within the E-cell wall. After which the candefense is enzymes that digest the cell wall. And then you definately re-inoculate with actually good high quality excessive probiotics. We now have 100 billion unit probiotic. In order that’s my Candida.

SIBO is Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth. And the triggers that I hear there are bloating is absolutely the largest one. I awoke, my abdomen was flat. I ate one meal. I regarded six months pregnant. Rosacea is an enormous one for that one. After which the opposite is most individuals consider SIBO as having diarrhea, nevertheless it truly could cause constipation in lots of people.

And there may be additionally a SIBO Hashimoto’s connection, as a result of you probably have low thyroid, then your digestion slows down, the meals is left in your intestine longer, after which the micro organism there go in to digest they usually’re simply creating these totally different gasses. After which it’s additionally a 3 step program. The weight loss program is similar to the Candida one. The truth is, you possibly can mainly use the identical and we frequently have individuals who come to us they usually’re treating each on the identical time and I’ll be comfortable to handle how to try this as a result of it’s barely totally different once you’re making an attempt to do each.

So weight loss program, you wanna starve the yeast, I imply, starve the SIBO. Then you definately wanna prune again the SIBO with microbe. We use a herb microbe clear. Now, in case you are seeing a doctor as a result of this has turn into extra widely known and there may be an antibiotic, Zifaxin, which I’ve taken a number of instances. I’ve given it to my sufferers. It’s one of many few antibiotics I prescribe, very particular to the intestine. It does usually work very nicely. Nonetheless, it’s very costly and most insurance coverage doesn’t cowl it. In order that’s why I created the micro clear as a result of I had all these individuals in my clinic that might not afford to pay hundreds of {dollars} for this antibiotic. I imply, some had been so determined. They did, however the herbs work very well. It’s, you understand, berberine, wormwood, black walnut, a bunch of, herbs that simply form of pr wish to kill all of your good micro organism. An excessive amount of of a very good factor created a nasty state of affairs, to kill again a few of the you wish to re inoculate you re-inoculate as I said. So when you wanna deal with each on the identical time, what I like to recommend is it’s primarily the identical weight loss program. After which you possibly can take the MicroClear, the Caprylic Acid and the Candefenol all at one time. You possibly can work your approach up and we clarify how to try this. After which what you wanna do first is to take the soil-based probiotic and be sure you’ve gotten rid of the SIBO first. And after you have, you’ll then take the billion unit probiotic after that. So it might be like a 30 days as a substitute of and are form of 30 days, you’re doing 60 days of all of this.

Katie: That is smart.

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And I’m glad that you simply introduced up enzymes as nicely, as a result of that was on my checklist to ask you about. It looks as if it’s not even simply what we eat essentially, but additionally how a lot we will digest and take in of what we eat. And it looks as if I’m seeing extra in analysis and from individuals I do know such as you, speaking in regards to the significance of enzymes, which may actually be useful as we become older, or if now we have particular circumstances particularly. I see that in minerals as recurring themes proper now. It looks as if many individuals have struggles in each of these areas. Do you discover these are frequent in your sufferers as nicely?

Dr Amy Myers: Completely. So simply to be clear, the enzymes I used to be referring to within the within the candefense are enzymes that break down the yeast cell wall. However I sure, our digestive enzymes are one among our prime sellers as a result of so many individuals do have these points of getting been on continual drugs and whatnot. And I all the time mentioned in my clinic, it’s not the saying the outdated saying that you simply all the time heard you’re what you eat. It’s truly you’re what you digest and take in. So there have been loads of individuals once more, as a result of they learn the books earlier than they got here or they met me at paleofx they usually had been already coming in consuming these actually good diets. However then I might do lab testing on them to take a look at their minerals, to take a look at their vitamin ranges, to look intracellularly at what was occurring. And so they weren’t getting the good thing about this. So that you could be consuming the perfect weight loss program on the earth. However when you then can now not digest and take in it, you probably have low abdomen acid and also you’re not breaking down the proteins into amino acids, then you definately’re not absorbing it. In case you don’t have what it is advisable to break down carbs and fat, you will not be absorbing it.

Or, you understand, you probably have that after which it will get all the way in which right down to your small gut and then you definately’ve bought SIBO disrupting it, or you have got leaky intestine and then you definately’re not absorbing these. So I imply, the intestine, I all the time say is the inspiration and the gateway to your well being. I imply, in case your intestine shouldn’t be functionally on all ranges at an optimum stage, you’re both have already got issues otherwise you’re going to have issues. And that’s the reason as a result of I converse a lot about this, regardless that I’ve written these different books, I believe individuals come to me for intestine as a result of I simply noticed it time and time once more, and individuals who had no digestive points. I imply, individuals who got here in and mentioned, oh, no, no, I’m consuming this nice weight loss program. , I’ve two bowel actions a day. I don’t have any fuel. I don’t have any bloating. I’m fantastic.

After which we do a complete stool check. We’d see their digestive enzymes are low. We’d see they’ve vegetable fibers of their stool. We see, you understand, we see their amino acids are low. And I may see it in all of those purposeful labs, not typical labs, however purposeful labs of how, you understand, they thought that their intestine was fantastic. And so they had been consuming this unbelievable weight loss program, however with out having their pure inherent capability to interrupt down and digest and take in issues, take in their vitamins, they had been then poor in these.

And, you understand, by way of mineral deficiency, I believe that that’s in all probability twofold. One, our meals could be very totally different than it was for our ancestors. There are numerous, many research that I do know you’re conscious of, of. , our soil shouldn’t be as nutrient dense because it was once earlier than. So then the crops arising out of the soil should not have the identical stage of vitamins they used to have. After which once more, we’re residing on this poisonous world, our guts are leaky. In order that’s resulting in mineral and vitamin deficiencies. And it’s frankly why I like to recommend everyone take a multivitamin each day. I imply, I’ve an article on this about all the explanations everyone must be taking a multivitamin due to what we’re simply discussing, the soil, the nutrient stage in our meals, our leaky guts, our incapacity to digest and take in.

Katie: Yeah, I’m glad that you simply bought to elucidate that so comprehensively, as a result of I’ve questioned if that is truly one other lacking piece due to the depletion of our meals provide and why we’ll see individuals who seem like in actually good well being who may have these random circumstances that appear to return out of nowhere. And it looks as if no less than a few of them may very well be linked to mineral deficiencies that folks wouldn’t essentially even pay attention to. So I’m so glad that we bought to speak about that.

I’d additionally love to listen to any suggestions that you’ll be able to simply form of usually give to your sufferers or you could give listed below are form of the 80/20 that transfer us towards optimum or that appear to be comparatively universally helpful. One I’ve given on right here time and again, as an example, is the significance of pure gentle, which is free. I’ve seen an enormous distinction even in my labs from getting morning daylight and just a little little bit of mid day, noon daylight on daily basis, which is smart after we contemplate that our our bodies have {an electrical} element and that we’d like gentle for therefore many issues to occur inside our physique.

However I’m positive that you’ve a way more complete checklist. So for anyone who’s making an attempt to maneuver that needle towards optimum, what could be a few of the issues on that checklist for you?

Dr Amy Myers: So I suppose after we had been speaking about toxins, I didn’t end my considered saying that, you mentioned 80-20 and my thoughts simply went to the 80-20 rule. So let me go to toxins after which I’ll speak about weight loss program.

Toxins, so now we have a house, and I perceive not everyone can have these items, however now we have a house air filtration system, water filtration system, all of these items that I talked about, we solely eat natural in our home. And that’s in order that after I exit into the world, I make the perfect selections that I can, however I acknowledge that I journey. I’ve a toddler. We, you understand, I used to be telling you, we had been at a water park yesterday. They mentioned no outdoors meals. We introduced outdoors meals. I imply, we simply defined now we have quite a lot of meals sensitivities, proper? So we’re not pressured to eat that meals, however then I’m in very chlorinated water, proper? I imply, I stay a life, but when in your personal setting, you possibly can management what you possibly can management, then you definately exit into the world and also you do the perfect you could. However there’s no approach to keep away from these items. And so I undoubtedly observe that as a rule. Like, you understand, be as strict as you possibly can in your personal residence after which go benefit from the world and do the perfect you possibly can once you’re on the market.

Now, in the case of weight loss program, there are particular features that I don’t, in the case of auto-immunity and the hyperlink with gluten after which the molecular mimicry and the cross-reactivity of gluten with casein, I don’t advocate anyone with auto-immunity eat dairy or gluten. And so for me, these are non-negotiables it doesn’t matter what. In case you had a gun to my head, I might not eat gluten, or dairy, however so these usually are not negotiables. However once more, I do suppose it goes again to what you had been saying. In case you’re consuming natural or you probably have the freedom or as you’ve moved your approach down the autoimmune spectrum, it’s to not say I by no means eat sugar, it’s to not say I by no means eat corn, it’s to not say that I don’t ever eat grains or legumes. I’m in Texas, love some black beans and rice, however I do these items occasionally to the place that I do know after I’m consuming my leaky intestine revive on daily basis or, taking my enzymes after I exit, I can do these items, proper? I’m nicely, however I’ve gotten hit with poisonous mould thrice in my life now. And I’ve moved up that autoimmune spectrum. After which I’ve bought to get again to very clearly doing issues, um, in a really deliberate approach and being far more cautious than after I’m nicely and might, can return down, down the spectrum.

So I don’t know if that totally answered your query or if you would like me to consider another issues which can be free. I imply, stress reduction usually is free. My swimming is free that I do. Hyperbarics will not be, enjoying along with your baby, enjoying along with your pet, going outdoors in pure gentle, sleep. I imply, the one individuals say, how do you do the whole lot that you simply do? Properly, it’s solely as a result of I do have a husband that if I have to, if there’s one thing taking place with the canines or a daughter will get up in the course of the evening, I would like my sleep. If I don’t get my sleep, I transfer up that spectrum on autoimmunity. So sleep is free. Possibly everyone doesn’t have the identical assist that I’ve, however sleep is a superb free useful resource that permits your physique to heal and permits your physique to detox. And I ensure that to the perfect of my capability that I get a stable eight, if not ten hours of sleep is what I would like to actually be optimum in my life.

Katie: Yeah, the just about 700 individuals I’ve had on this podcast, I’m but to listen to a single individual say sleep shouldn’t be vital. It looks as if the one universally agreed upon factor. And such as you mentioned, sleep itself is free. There’s tons we will do to optimize sleep, which I are inclined to prioritize even in my finances as a result of we spend hopefully a lot time sleeping that I really feel like modifications we make there have advantages and sleep makes all these different issues we’re speaking about a lot more practical as a result of your pure physique is ready to like rebuild and heal throughout sleep. So I like that as a common tip, one which undoubtedly can’t be overstated. So I like that you simply introduced that up.

And as we transfer towards the tip, just a few questions I like to ask. The primary being if there’s a e-book or quite a few books which have profoundly impacted you personally, and if that’s the case, what they’re and why.

Dr Amy Myers: Properly, the one which I considered once you, I knew you had been gonna ask me this query was M. Scott Peck’s The Street Much less Traveled. I assumed I wished to be a scientific psychologist, however I learn that e-book, in highschool, I consider. And I believe the factor about it for me is my life has been the street much less traveled. I imply, as you talked about, I used to be actually one of many originals again in purposeful drugs, talking about all of these things. And you need to be courageous to try this. I imply, to be frank, I wrote an article simply actually quoting the CDC about issues you can do in lieu of a flu vaccine and bought reported to the medical board. And it was proper earlier than my first e-book was popping out.

I do really feel between the Peace Corps, the Chinese language herbs, conventional typical medical faculty to then going to turn into a purposeful drugs doctor that I’ve actually embodied that in my life and simply encourage individuals to observe the street much less traveled. I imply, fortunately for individuals like your self, you have got helped get the phrase out and broaden the message that purposeful drugs and different issues can be found to individuals as a substitute of typical medication. So thanks very a lot for you following the street much less traveled and getting that out, however letting individuals know that you simply don’t should be afraid to journey this street much less traveled. And there could be nice profit on the finish of it that doesn’t contain numerous medication and a poor high quality of life. It truly entails perhaps merely giving up a pair meals, including in some daylight, therapeutic your intestine. And you’ll have an unbelievable life pain-free and drug-free.

Katie: I undoubtedly second that e-book suggestion. And likewise thanks to the work of you and so many others who’ve helped make this message rather more accessible to everybody on the market. I do know I hear from so many mothers who at the moment are shifting into the purposeful drugs strategy with their households, which is absolutely encouraging for me to see, as a result of I believe when the mothers begin making the shift, that’s when society actually begins to shift. And I do know you’re a mother as nicely. So I’m actually grateful for the work that you simply’ve executed. And lastly, any parting recommendation for the listeners right now that may very well be associated to the whole lot we’ve talked about or totally unrelated life recommendation that you’ve discovered useful.

Dr Amy Myers: That may be a huge query. However I believe the one factor that’s calling me at this second, and I don’t know when you’ve executed a podcast on hyperbaric, and I’m definitely not a hyperbaric knowledgeable, however I can simply converse to when you’ve hit a plateau in your autoimmune journey, and also you’ve been working with a purposeful drugs doctor, and also you’ve adopted the issues that I’ve laid out right now, and also you’re not getting nicely, look into hyperbaric, I’ve seen essentially the most profound, therapeutic from hyperbaric of a girl who was in, I had a plateau with, she was in a wheelchair and it simply known as me and I mentioned, go do 20 classes of hyperbarics and name me again. And he or she was strolling once more.

I actually bought to a plateau in my journey at one level a number of years in the past, modified nothing, solely bought into hyperbarics on daily basis for nearly a yr. All of my autoimmune markers went damaging, they’ve remained damaging. I then bought COVID, thought I used to be getting Lengthy Haul COVID, 5 classes into hyperbaric and it was fully gone. And definitely anyone coping with lengthy COVID, I might extremely advocate hyperbaric.

So, that’s, you understand, an increasing number of locations are popping up you could go form of like a sauna and pay for a person session. This isn’t a plug and you may delete this, however you understand, I’ve an Oxy-Well being one they usually have a hire to personal, you understand, state of affairs in case you are in dire want. And in order that, I don’t know, I used to be simply known as to say that as a result of I really feel prefer it’s one thing that lots of people aren’t speaking about now. And I’ve seen some extremely profound, simply life-changing occasions with hyperbaric when you hit a plateau, or simply as a part of your journey of therapeutic, that’s actually unbelievable.

Katie: Superior. Properly, I do know you’ve talked about a number of of your books and merchandise right now. I’ll guarantee that hyperlinks to all of these are within the present notes for you guys. In case you’re listening on the go, that’s all at wellnessmama.fm. I do know you even have a ton of instructional assets accessible in your website, so I’ll be sure you guys can discover these as nicely. Or in fact you possibly can Google her title and it’ll all come up. Thanks a lot for spending time right now, for attending to go deep on so many of those subjects and for the work that you simply’ve executed for now many years, serving to hundreds and hundreds of individuals.

Dr Amy Myers: Properly, thanks a lot for having me and serving to me to get the phrase out. And I actually respect the whole lot that you simply do.

Katie: Thanks as all the time to all of you for listening and sharing your most beneficial assets, your time, your power, and your consideration with us right now. We’re each so grateful that you simply did, and I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the following episode of The Wellness Mama Podcast.

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