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Whats up and welcome to the Wellness Mama podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and I’m again at the moment with return visitor, Dr. Steven Gundry. And on this episode, we break down and debunk the myths of the Blue Zones. And I really like this matter as a result of Blue Zones, I really feel like, are sometimes quoted and cherry-picked for his or her information to attempt to promote totally different plans or dietary supplements or merchandise that individuals have. And I really like that we obtained to go deep on what the info truly says about Blue Zones. And it won’t be what you assume. I definitely realized some issues about this that I didn’t know, together with some surprising statistics. I do know one in every of these will completely shock you about one of many elements that is likely to be contributing to longevity in sure Blue Zones. And it’s positively not gonna be what you assume.
And Dr. Gundry breaks down how, whereas Blue Zones are sometimes used to advertise vegetarian or vegan or excessive grain diets, that’s not what the info truly says. And there’s some distinctive different issues that stand out, together with consumption of sure uncommon meals that aren’t as widespread within the US however accessible now within the US. We discuss their motion patterns and their day by day way of life habits, in addition to elements and information round nutrient consumption and mineral consumption and why these are such essential elements.
And on the finish, he additionally shares his private non-negotiables and 80-20 of what he does daily to keep up his well being and vitality and vitality whereas he nonetheless maintains a really lively profession, working with sufferers, writing books, and doing analysis as nicely. And also you’ve in all probability heard of him, however Dr. Gundry is the founder and director of the Worldwide Coronary heart and Lung Institute, in addition to the Heart for Restorative Medication. He’s written many bestselling books, together with The Plant Paradox and the companions to that, The Longevity Paradox, The Vitality Paradox, his new Intestine Verify ebook, and plenty of others. He has over 300 articles printed in peer-reviewed journals, and he focuses on a dietary method to lowering illness and reversing issues like autoimmune illness. The truth is, his statistic for doing that together with his sufferers is over 94%. He’s been doing this work for many years, and he’s one of many actually sturdy voices on this area. I’m very excited to share him with you at the moment, so let’s soar into the episode. Dr. Gundry, welcome again. I’m so excited to have you ever again once more.
Dr. Gundry: Hey, it’s nice to be right here, thanks.
Katie: Effectively, I’m tremendous excited to leap into a subject that the title is likely to be just a little surprising to individuals at first look, however I do know that you’ve got quite a lot of information and expertise to help this, and I’m tremendous excited to be taught from you at the moment. We’re gonna discuss debunking Blue Zones. So to start out broad and provides some background, I’d love so that you can clarify what are the most important misconceptions in terms of Blue Zones as a result of I’ve been watching this information now for over a decade, and it looks like a number of individuals cherry-pick the info from Blue Zones to attempt to show their very own level or promote their very own product. And I do know you’re a really first ideas pushed particular person and you actually go to the basis of issues. So what are these misconceptions in terms of Blue Zones?
Dr. Gundry: Effectively, as I discuss in that chapter within the, within the new ebook, Intestine Verify, the chapter is principally entitled, Cigarettes, Cheese, and Meat: New ideas from the Blue Zones. Simon & Garfunkel used to say {that a} man hears what he needs to listen to and disregards the remaining. And initially, the Blue Zones, all people wonders, nicely, the place the phrase Blue Zones come from? We’re speaking about quite a lot of these locations the place within the water or islands or within the Mediterranean, and possibly it’s the ocean.
Now the Blue Zones, there was a gathering in Montpellier, France, which is within the south of France, a variety of years in the past, and a researcher obtained a blue-tip felt-markering pen and went to a map of the world and drew some circles round 5 locations that he thought, he thought had the perfect longevity on the earth. And who can be within the viewers however Dan Buettner, who truly has trademarked the time period Blue Zone. So I’ve to watch out after I say it or use it. And so Dan is a vegetarian, nearly vegan. And so he needed, I believe, to select these components of the Blue Zone cultures that help his perception system. And, sadly, whenever you truly have a look at what individuals eat in these areas, that doesn’t help his perception system one bit.
We might use Okinawa for an instance. The Okinawans, the one detailed description of the Okinawan eating regimen was completed by the US navy in 1947 as an occupying nation. We took over Okinawa. And the one description of what Okinawans ate again then was by the US navy, primary. The Okinawans, 85% of their eating regimen is a purple candy potato. The soy that they eat is miso. They hardly eat any rice, they usually definitely don’t eat another grain merchandise. The opposite factor that’s distinctive in regards to the Okinawans is they really eat an enormous quantity of bitter, spicy inexperienced leaves and spices. The truth is, in Japan, they’re known as the spice eaters. So there’s nothing of their eating regimen that helps the concept beans and rice is what makes them nice. It’s a candy potato. Sorry about that. The opposite factor that’s distinctive about Okinawa, the truth is, as I discuss within the ebook, the Okinawans can’t develop rice as a result of their local weather doesn’t help rice rising. So, oh nicely.
Now possibly probably the most spectacular factual information comes out of Sardinia. So Sardinia is an Italian island. It’s principally obtained two populations, bunch of people that dwell down by the ocean, they’re fishermen, and a bunch of people that dwell up within the mountains, they usually’re goat and sheep herders. The one individuals who have longevity dwell within the mountains. The individuals who dwell down by the ocean don’t have longevity, fascinating sufficient. Uh, yeah. And the individuals who dwell within the mountains, what makes them have extra longevity is definitely the lads dwell so long as the ladies. Now, most individuals know that males typically dwell about seven years shorter lives than ladies. You guys are the stronger intercourse, we obtained to confess it. However in that island, the lads truly exceed the ladies’s longevity. Why is that? Effectively, about 95% of the lads smoke, and solely about 25% of the ladies smoke. And we see this repeated in a number of different Blue Zones, like Ikaria, Greece, like at Ciroli within the south of Italy. The boys are people who smoke, and the ladies aren’t a lot. And it’s truly the nicotine in smoke that is without doubt one of the finest mitochondrial and couplers, longevity brokers identified to mankind. Now, I don’t smoke. I don’t advocate smoking. The issue with nicotine, it’s addictive. But it surely’s actually nice for longevity. And actually, all of those longevity compounds that everyone’s speaking about, nicotinamide, riboside, NMN, niacinamide, nicotinic acid, that’s a cousin of nicotine and that’s truly why they dwell a lot longer. Sorry about that Dan.
Now the opposite factor that’s fascinating, they’re sheep and goat herders. So daily they’re consuming sheep and goat yogurt, sheep and goat cheeses, and as I’ve talked about in my final two books, these cheeses have two health-promoting properties. Primary, they’re loaded with medium-chain triglycerides. A 3rd of the fats in cheese and goat milk and cheeses are MCTs. Secondly, they’ve these compounds that I write about known as polyamines, which as soon as once more are extremely lifespan-promoting compound. So, a lot for the primary grain and bean principle there.
Effectively, let’s discuss a spot that does eat grains and beans, the Nicoya Peninsula of Costa Rica. Now, all of Costa Rica eat beans and eat corn, and that’s their state. And the Nicoya Peninsula does eat beans and corn. However what’s distinctive about this little half is that they’re sheep and goat herders, they usually eat quite a lot of sheep and goat cheese and goat yogurt, not like another a part of Costa Rica. And there’s a very fascinating paper that I reference that the individuals in that area credit score the goat and sheep with their longevity, they usually assume that the beans and corn are a adverse facet to their eating regimen that they must tolerate only for energy. Oh nicely, and we might go on and on.
Katie: Effectively, that’s definitely a far cry from the US the place these issues are simply tolerated for energy and easily getting sufficient energy to exist. That’s an enormous distinction than the breakdown of nutritionally what most individuals eat, definitely within the US. That’s completely fascinating to me that you simply mentioned smoking would possibly truly be a consider longevity for these individuals as a result of I’ve seen a few of this information as nicely about nicotine itself, particularly if we will isolate it from smoking and the dangerous components that include that. Would you say there is likely to be a time and a spot for nicotine consumption that’s not from smoking for longevity perspective?
Dr. Gundry: Effectively, once more, I believe my buddy Dave Asprey makes use of nicotine drops on a regular basis. He argues, maybe appropriately, that each one nice concepts took place in a restaurant with smoking cigarettes and consuming espresso and having a glass of wine. And he won’t be far off. However curiously sufficient, an island in Papua New Guinea, the Katawans, the Katawans smoke like fiends. They’ve by no means been identified to have most cancers. There has by no means been a case of a stroke or coronary heart assault in these individuals. And so they eat a eating regimen with quite a lot of tubers. They do eat quite a lot of coconut. However right here’s one other instance the place the smoking doesn’t appear to have the adverse affect that we discover.
And I’m going into the ebook, and I’ve talked about it earlier than, one of many issues that in all probability will get these individuals away with the dangerous results of smoking: Smoking causes oxidative stress, and oxidative stress makes use of up a vital antioxidant known as vitamin C. And we’re one of many few animals that don’t make our personal vitamin C. We now have to ingest it. Vitamin C is important for knitting collagen again collectively. Collagen breaks on a regular basis, and people who smoke have extra wrinkles as a result of their collagen has damaged as a result of the injury of daylight they usually don’t have any vitamin C to place it again collectively, curiously sufficient. Identical means people who smoke have very distinct patterns of coronary artery illness that may be prevented by vitamin C. So I believe the people who smoke in these long-lived areas have a eating regimen that’s extremely wealthy in antioxidants in vitamin C. And there’s a really well-known research in rats. There’s 5 genes that make enzymes that take glucose and convert it into vitamin C. So there’s 5 enzymatic steps. We now have 4 of these genes, however the fifth gene known as a ghost gene. It doesn’t work. And that’s why we don’t make vitamin C. If you happen to take rats and provides them the human gene sequence, rats make vitamin C, these rats will solely dwell half so long as a traditional rat. However should you put vitamin C of their consuming water, in order that they’re consuming vitamin C all day, they’ll equal how lengthy a rat would usually dwell, supplying you with an thought of simply how essential form of a steady provide of vitamin C is.
Katie: Wow, that’s fascinating as nicely. I’d love to listen to out of your perspective what the info truly says in what our key takeaways needs to be in terms of Blue Zones. It feels like definitely not grain and bean consumption in excessive quantities, probably root greens and tubers having the next place, particularly ones which might be wealthy in issues like polyphenols are like brightly coloured. I’d guess additionally issues like regardless that they drink wine in lots of of those locations, wine could also be not obligatory for longevity by any means.
And I do know individuals additionally discuss elements like usually they transfer extra, like individuals like goat and sheep herders in all probability get rather more motion than the common American. It looks like they usually have nice neighborhood and/or areas with good mineral, extra minerals within the soil or the consuming water. However what out of your perspective are the important thing takeaways that we will truly be taught once we have a look at the info with an correct lens that we will all be taught from?
Dr. Gundry: Effectively, I believe you’ve hit on quite a lot of them. Most of those dwell in hilly areas. Loma Linda, the place I used to be professor for a lot of my profession, which is the one Blue Zone in the US. Loma Linda means stunning hill, curiously sufficient. And Loma Linda, the Adventist neighborhood, has the longevity. The remainder of Loma Linda doesn’t, curiously sufficient. One factor I would add, in Okinawa, the entire medical information, start certificates had been destroyed throughout the struggle. And one of many theories of why Okinawans had been so long-lived is that when individuals had been requested how outdated they had been, they made wild guesses, and there’s truly no information. The opposite factor, significantly in Europe, is that pensions are primarily based on residing individuals, and quite a lot of instances, you want that pension to outlive, and so that you don’t declare deaths of people that have truly died, so that you simply preserve getting their pension. So, there’s all types of different issues.
I would add, one of many issues that stunned me after I was doing the analysis for Intestine Verify, is that individuals with the longest lifespan of any nation on the earth is just a little tiny nation between France and Spain known as Andorra. And it’s solely 150,000 inhabitants. And it’s means up within the Pyrenees Mountains. And the Andorrans have a really, so they really have a lifespan of about 90 years, each women and men. Fairly good. The Andorrans are sheepherders, they usually eat sheep cheese and sheep yogurts, they usually eat sausages daily. And also you go, nicely, wait a minute, that looks like, wait a minute, cheese and sausage is the important thing to longevity? Effectively, as I suggest in Intestine Verify, sure. It seems that sausages, historically ready sausages, have polyamines and the actually nasty sugar molecule in beef, lamb, and pork, and milk known as NU5GC, is eaten by the micro organism throughout fermentation of sausages. In order that explains why you’ll be able to form of have your cake and eat it too. So you’ll be able to have cheese and sausages like charcuterie and possibly dwell a very very long time.
Katie: That’s actually thrilling as nicely, as a result of definitely you additionally hear them say, you already know, in these areas they don’t eat meat, they don’t eat animal merchandise, and it looks like that can also be some cherry-picking of knowledge and never an correct illustration. And particularly, I do know it’s more durable to seek out within the US, however it looks like there is likely to be one thing to including extra sheep and goat dairy merchandise to our eating regimen, which definitely are very minimal in American eating regimen consumption from my understanding.
Dr. Gundry: Yeah, I imply, fortunately, we’re starting to see like plain goat yogurt. It’s a Dealer Joe’s. There are sheep yogurt merchandise now. Uh, it’s, in a means, simple to seek out, uh, sheep cheeses, Manchego. You may get at Costco or Dealer Joe’s. Yow will discover pecorino cheese, which is a sheep cheese. Goat cheeses are just a little more durable to seek out, however even Dealer Joe’s has goat brie. A number of firms at the moment are making goat mozzarella, goat cheddar. So individuals ought to search for these. They are going to make a distinction.
Katie: That’s nice to know. I’m curious should you noticed any information, and possibly not, that is only a analysis matter for me proper now of mineral consumption in these areas or if their surroundings naturally has extra of the minerals that we’re not getting in our eating regimen, particularly if we’re consuming processed meals.
Dr. Gundry: Yeah, one of many issues that I do quite a lot of YouTube movies about this, our soil is so depleted right here in the US of minerals. The truth is, there’s a Senate doc from 1939 that I’ve written about in earlier books that principally says, our soil is so depleted, this was 1939, that we must eat repeatedly and nonetheless couldn’t make up for the dearth of minerals in our eating regimen, consuming repeatedly.
The opposite factor that’s occurred in our soil, is glyphosate is an antibiotic, and it’s killed off the microbiome of the soil. And the microbiome of the soil was truly accountable for taking these natural compounds and minerals and placing them into the soil, primary, after which aiding the basis system of the plant to take up these minerals into the plant. So, you already know, corn could seem like corn now, however it bears no relationship to what corn was 50 years in the past. A bit of broccoli could seem like broccoli now, however it actually has a 3rd of the minerals of fifty years in the past. So yeah, we’re profoundly mineral-depleted. And fortuitously, these Blue Zones, or these long-lived people who aren’t, quote, official Blue Zones, they dwell in distant areas, glyphosate has by no means come close to them. They farm the land or choose the land. They’re consuming greens and leaves which might be rising in eight toes of loam soil. And they also’re getting these vitamins which have lengthy been lacking in our eating regimen.
Katie: Effectively, and primarily based on that statistic of we’d must eat repeatedly and we nonetheless wouldn’t get sufficient minerals, it looks like there’s two keys there to spotlight. One is, after all, avoiding glyphosate nonetheless doable. And the second, it will appear to be that is additionally a theme in podcast company that I’ve had is we’re just about at a degree within the trendy world the place we do must complement with sure issues to achieve these minimal quantities. Like, sadly, we’re now not at a degree the place we will get every thing from meals, even when, such as you mentioned, we ate all day lengthy.
Dr. Gundry: Yeah, and one of many theories that’s truly come out of animal research is that animals, in the event that they’re disadvantaged of a selected nutrient, will repeatedly eat of what’s accessible to them to get to this important nutrient quantity of their physique. Issues that they might by no means think about consuming or an animal that doesn’t eat quite a lot of carbohydrates, however the carbohydrate that’s supplied within the eating regimen has these important minerals, the animal will go and eat these items till it will get what it’s searching for. I imply, I all the time comply with my canine within the spring. They’re consuming younger shoots of grass. And I’m going, yeah, that’s fascinating. What are you guys doing that for? They’re not throwing up. They’re searching for younger shoots of grass. Effectively, and that’s the place all the latest little bits of polyphenols and minerals are coming from. Canines are fairly sensible, too.
Katie: I believe that highlights one thing actually essential as a result of I’ve questioned this for a very long time. We hear usually that People particularly are overfed and undernourished. Just a few years in the past, I switched from fascinated about energy and macros in any respect and checked out nutrient density in meals, particularly micronutrients. I consciously began upping my mineral consumption, and I observed that I used to be far much less hungry and that my physique gave the impression to be rather more in tune with what it needed to eat. I’ve questioned if many of those issues we’re having within the US, after all, are multifaceted, however it’s as a result of we’re so poor in a few of these micronutrients that our our bodies are craving further meals like canine would to attempt to hit these minimums for survival and if we might truly profit ourselves by being much more acutely aware in our mineral consumption and our nutrient consumption.
Dr. Gundry: Yeah, completely. One of many research that I alluded to in earlier ebook was they took some, nicely, let me preface that. We all know that our microbiome determines quite a lot of what we’re searching for by way of energy and the types of energy we’re searching for. And one of many themes of the ebook, Intestine Verify, is we’ve primary, starved our microbiome as a result of we don’t eat any soluble fiber. And we’ve, you already know, genocided our microbiome as a result of we actively eat glyphosate, we actively eat antibiotics, nearly all of the meats that we eat are loaded with antibiotics, a brand new research out two weeks in the past confirmed that each one quick meals meals have antibiotics in them. And glyphosate.
So should you take regular volunteers in China and put them on a two-week water-only quick, and half the group will get 100 energy of prebiotic fiber, indigestible by us, however the meals for the intestine microbiome. The group that obtained the prebiotic fiber on a water quick had completely no starvation for 2 weeks. The group that simply obtained water had been actually hungry for a few week earlier than they adjusted. And I believe that confirms that principally the microbiome was being fed, then sends textual content messages, these are literally postbiotics, to the mind saying, hey! We’re good down right here. You’ve completed your job. We’re completely happy. Don’t have to go search for anything. Thanks very a lot. Let’s have a superb day. And I believe that actually does converse to the ability that we used to have in a wholesome microbiome that we fed what they wanted, like a tuber as an example, nice supply of prebiotic fiber, and we didn’t attempt to kill our microbiome daily with what we ate.
Katie: Wow, that’s positively a hanging instance. And I’d love to listen to in our previous couple of minutes, truly, what your individual day by day habits and eating regimen and foundational issues that you simply do daily, your non-negotiables, your private 80-20 since you are nonetheless a really prolific author. You talked about you’re nonetheless seeing sufferers. You appear to have this large quantity of inside vitality and drive to enhance the world. So I’d love to listen to what your private life appears like for a minute and what your day by day non-negotiables are.
Dr. Gundry: Effectively, let’s see. Day by day non-negotiable is I’ve to take our canine for a two-mile stroll, hike within the hills. That’s non-negotiable in response to the canine. Then I don’t eat breakfast for probably the most half. Throughout the winter months from January by way of June, I don’t eat lunch both. I eat all my energy in a few two-hour window from 5 to seven at night time. Do I’ve to try this? No. I’ve been doing it now, I believe, for 25 years, so it appears to be working. Throughout the summer season, I form of again off from that.
There’s fairly good proof, and I talked about it in Intestine Verify, and I’ve up to now, that in all probability should you actually needed to make peace along with your intestine and promote longevity, a six-hour consuming window, might be optimum. So meaning an 18-hour fasting window. One of many issues I’m going over and time and again in Intestine Verify is you must have downtime to your intestine wall to restore itself. It can’t always be concerned in digestion and absorption of meals. It has to have restore. And you’d do that to a automobile, you’d do that to an airplane engine. The thought, the common American eats 16 hours a day from the second we rise up to actually earlier than we go to mattress. And so there’s nearly no restore time for our intestine. And whereas there are quite a lot of excellent causes to do time-restricted consuming, intermittent fasting, I believe one of many causes that’s missed by so many individuals is the necessity for restore of the wall of the intestine.
Years in the past, taking a look at, there’s a worm mannequin of longevity. The worm is C. elegans. And the worm mannequin of longevity, this mannequin has labored for each longevity selling polyphenol drug, et cetera, we all the time begin with this worm mannequin as a result of no matter works within the worm mannequin all the time works in larger organisms. So one of many fascinating issues is the worm begins to die. Because the wall of its intestine, and it has just a little tiny digestive system, however the wall of its intestine is just one cell thick like ours. And as gaps seem within the wall of that worm’s intestine, the worm begins to die. The extra that wall will get destroyed, the quicker the worm dies. And that has had, and Hippocrates mentioned it 2,500 years in the past, all illness begins within the intestine, and all illness begins in a leaky intestine. So the actually intestine test is all of us want a intestine test to advertise the integrity of the wall of artwork. And all of the methods of how to try this that I’ve realized now in 25 years of working with my sufferers is in that ebook. And in order that’s what I do. I take quite a lot of dietary supplements. I’m a man who a very long time in the past mentioned dietary supplements make costly urine. They don’t. You’re proper, our meals, our soil is so depleted that you simply simply can’t sustain with what we needs to be getting in our eating regimen with out supplementing.
Katie: And I do know you talked about that statistic, which appears so staggering to me as nicely, that individuals eat a median of it in a 16-hour window within the US. And I believe I additionally learn that the common, we predict we simply eat three meals a day, however out of your intestine’s perspective, any time energy enter the physique and must be dealt with, that’s an consuming occasion. And I believe the latest one I noticed was it was one thing like 17 instances a day, one thing is coming into your physique that your intestine has to take care of. So it’s actually such as you mentioned, we’re not getting any intestine relaxation. We’re bombarding our guts, usually with issues which might be harming it, definitely not usually with issues which might be serving to it. So possibly a few of these shifts like specializing in these nutrient-density, including in some sheep and goat cheeses. I do know you’ve got dietary supplements that assist with the restoration course of you probably have leaky intestine. And I do know you go tremendous deep on this matter in Intestine Verify on the best way to actually resolve the issues at a intestine stage. But it surely looks like these easy methods usually get missed as a result of they’re easy, and I see that sample again and again. However the nice information is that our our bodies, once we can do these easy issues, know the best way to heal they usually wish to, and they’re going to. And so I really like that you simply give individuals their energy again by making that so accessible on this ebook and actually in your entire books, which I’ll make certain are linked within the present notes. However Dr. Gundry, I all the time be taught a lot from you. It’s all the time an absolute pleasure to get to speak to you, and I’m so grateful to your time. Thanks for being right here at the moment.
Dr. Gundry: Effectively, Wellness Mama sustain the great work.
Katie: Effectively, thanks. And thanks as all the time to all of you for listening and sharing your most respected assets, your time, your vitality, and your consideration with us at the moment. We’re each so grateful that you simply did. And I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the subsequent episode of the Wellness Mama podcast.
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