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Hey, and welcome to the Wellness Mama podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com. And this episode is all about peptides and understanding them and the way to use them optimally. And I’m right here with Nathalie Niddam, who’s a podcast host and longevity biohacker, a holistic nutritionist of human potential, and epigenetic coach. She’s a self-proclaimed science geek with a ardour for human well being. And some years in the past, she did a deep dive into peptides as a well being optimization possibility. And she or he was captivated by the potential of those tiny proteins. And this turned the catalyst for the launch of her rising Fb group, the Optimizing Superhuman Efficiency Group, to feed the rising curiosity in these unimaginable compounds. And a yr later, she launched the Biohacking Superhuman Efficiency Podcast, which is now rated within the prime 50 in her class. Her ardour is taking a look at longevity via the lens of all we will do in each space of our lives to advertise vibrant well being, boundless power, and extra. She works with shoppers one-on-one and manages these communities, and we go deep on the subject of peptides immediately. So let’s be part of Nat. Nathalie, welcome. Thanks a lot for being right here.
Nathalie: Thanks a lot for having me, Katie. It’s an honor to be right here. I’ve been, I’ve heard about you for a few years, really. Nicely, longer than a few years. Your popularity precedes you. However personally, there was a girl that got here to a retreat that I ran within the Dominican Republic a few years in the past. And she or he stored telling me, oh, my pal Katie, Wellness Mama, you should meet her, want to satisfy her. After which lastly, we met final November in individual. So it’s very nice to reconnect.
Katie: I’m so excited to study from you immediately. And we’re going to get to go deep on the subject of peptides, which is a subject I’m excited to study on a private stage. Earlier than we leap into that, although, completely unrelated. I didn’t know till researching for this episode that your first language is French. I might by no means have guessed that. However that’s true that your first language is definitely French?
Nathalie: It’s. I didn’t really converse a phrase of English till I went to high school.
Katie: Wow. Nicely, that’s unimaginable.
Nathalie: And I didn’t converse a phrase of English after I first went to high school. So apparently I didn’t say a lot for a few months till I form of figured all of it out. After which it was like, all proper, we bought this.
Katie: Nicely, my mother speaks French. I sadly didn’t choose up any of that or I might attempt to say one thing in French to you, however that’s actually cool. After which a subject that you’re additionally extraordinarily well-versed in and I’m most excited to study from you about is the subject of peptides as a result of I might guess most individuals have heard of peptides by this level, however they most likely nonetheless appear a bit of mysterious or a bit of bit form of excessive barrier to entry of understanding the way to even use them. And so they’re simply not sometimes a traditional complement you’ll be able to simply add to your complement regime. So to begin off actually broad, are you able to clarify form of the broad ideas of what peptides are after which we’ll get to dive into how they can be utilized?
Nathalie: A 100%. So peptides are, the phrase peptide means protein. So a peptide is a sequence and proteins are made up of amino acids, that are the constructing blocks of protein. And so a peptide by definition is a sequence of amino acids that’s 50 amino acids or fewer in size. A polypeptide can be, I consider it’s between 50 and 100 amino acids. After which something above that’s only a protein. And so proteins, as individuals might know, may be lots of of amino acids lengthy, and so they’re very intricately folded. Peptides, as a result of they’re loads smaller, may also be folded. However principally, they’re simply tiny little proteins within the physique that act as signaling molecules. They’re, they typically, they’ve been remoted from our physique. So, they’re naturally occurring within the human physique. However what’s occurred over the previous few many years is individuals have form of remoted them, after which use them in several methods to form of set off desired responses within the physique by reapplying them.
Katie: Yeah, and that their capability to be signaling is what’s most fascinating to me, as a result of I feel after we perceive them broadly as basically like amino acids and the constructing blocks of proteins, they appear like, okay, that looks as if one thing that clearly can be already in our physique that we will produce or we get from meals. However then after they’re remoted like this, that’s after they form of have their form of elevated potential, I suppose I might say. And I do know that throughout the world of peptides, there are so, so, so many. How do these signaling mechanisms work throughout the physique? So this could be totally different, as an illustration, than if we have been simply getting a few of the similar peptides from a meals supply after we’re getting them on this like remoted format?
Nathalie: Yeah, so the very same peptides don’t essentially come from a meals supply. I imply, I suppose possibly you would possibly get some from sure animal merchandise, and we’ll speak later, or we’ll observe up with and speak about bioregulator peptides individually as a result of these are undoubtedly obtainable in meals. However the peptides that we’re speaking about, and simply to deliver it to a spot the place individuals can get actual readability on this, there’s a really well-known peptide that nearly everyone’s heard of, and that’s insulin. And so insulin is a peptide, and it’s a signaling molecule within the physique. And so we make insulin from our pancreas below regular circumstances. And generally in sure illness states, individuals’s, you recognize, both the beta islet cells get broken or no matter occurs. And we cease making insulin and we lose our skill to correctly course of glucose. And so what, you recognize, the large discovery was isolating insulin after which re-synthesizing it in a lab after which studying that by reapplying it to the physique, we will form of complement the physique’s provide of and get it to do what it will usually do should you had insulin, should you have been making it your self.
Katie: And I might guess lots of people don’t even understand that insulin is a peptide. Are there different ones throughout the physique that maybe individuals have heard of and should not understand are literally labeled as peptides?
Nathalie: Nicely, you recognize, oxytocin, for instance, individuals assume, you recognize, individuals have heard, lots of people have heard of oxytocin. It’s the, you recognize, it’s the love hormone and or it may be administered to ladies in labor to form of transfer issues alongside. And so oxytocin is one other peptide that’s naturally made by our our bodies and that may be synthesized in a lab after which readministered.
So all of those peptides that persons are speaking about actually are both, are fairly often they’re fragments of naturally occurring peptides within the physique. And so we will, so one thing like, for instance, one of many ones that probably individuals have heard of, so now I’m speaking to the a part of your viewers that’s form of been working forward right here, and possibly they’re a bit of bit additional forward. And so one of many ones they might have heard of is one thing known as BPC 157. And so what we’ll discover is that in these peptides that persons are fairly enthusiastic about which have made fairly a splash over the past variety of years, the names of those peptides leaves loads to be desired. It’s fairly often like a collection of letters and numbers, and that’s as a result of they have been named by scientists who found them and remoted them. So BPC stands for Physique Protecting Compound. And 157 really is number one to 57 as a result of it’s that first to the, it’s the place, you assume it’s bought to be 1 to 57, however really it’s solely 19 amino acids lengthy, however it has some designation of the place in the entire BPC 157 that’s naturally occurring in our guts, it has some indication about that fragment, the place they remoted the fragment from. It could actually’t be 1 to 57 as a result of then it will be 57 amino acids lengthy. So…
Katie: That’s so fascinating. And possibly that one is essentially the most that has gotten essentially the most mainstream consideration. So I’d like to go a bit of deeper on BPC particularly as a result of I do know from my primary understanding that may be taken orally or it may be injected as many peptides are. And it looks as if maybe it does various things when within the totally different ways in which it may be form of put into the physique. However are you able to elaborate on what BPC does and possibly a few of the use instances that you just discover for it?
Nathalie: So, you recognize, not solely can or not it’s used orally and by subcutaneous injection. It may also be used topically. It may be used intranasally. It may be compounded as eye drops. So it’s a really, very versatile peptide. And so I’ll usually consult with it because the Swiss Military knife of peptides as a result of it has an impression on so many alternative tissues and programs within the physique. However its main superpower and the factor that, the 2 issues that folks actually determine with BPC 157 is therapeutic the GI tract, therapeutic the intestine lining, and in addition therapeutic musculoskeletal accidents.
So BPC 157 is the champion of stimulating therapeutic varied tissues within the physique. And it does this primarily by appearing as a signaling molecule so it is going to connect to sure receptors on the skin of the cells and provoke cascades. And in addition by doing so, generally it even influences the expression of sure genes that affect restore. However it additionally may be very helpful for issues like wound therapeutic, like precise wounds, surgical wounds. It may be actually good for therapeutic of burns. It additionally may be very highly effective for sure neurological points. It could actually assist with remyelination of nerves. Additionally it is an anti-inflammatory. It could actually assist with ache. In animal research, it was proven to be protecting from TBIs. , if I give it some thought lengthy sufficient, I might give you one other laundry record of issues that it does, however you get the concept. The concept is that this little, tiny protein is a really versatile protein within the atmosphere of our system.
The opposite factor that it does, and the explanation why it is usually so useful for therapeutic of accidents, is that it upregulates the manufacturing of the expression of development hormone receptors. And so fairly often BPC 157 has been used together with one other class of peptides known as development hormone secretagogues. And people peptides principally stimulate the mind to provide and launch your individual development hormone. So you’ll be able to think about that now you’ve bought your BPC 157 that’s initiating its personal restore cascades, however it’s additionally pushing out these catcher’s mitts for development hormone. And on the similar time, you’ve bought these development hormone secretagogues which can be rising your manufacturing of development hormone, which goes to speed up therapeutic as properly.
Katie: And that is the one definitely that I’ve essentially the most private expertise with, each on myself with accidents and in addition my older youngsters which can be athletes. We’ve in our home not too long ago had a torn quad and a torn meniscus and a sprained ankle. And I’ll say it’s been superb how quickly it appears to hurry up that therapeutic cascade. And I feel anytime we’re speaking about peptides, that’s an essential level to focus on is due to the way in which they work, they’re really enhancing what the physique already is aware of the way to do. This isn’t like going across the physique’s pure mechanisms. It’s enhancing the physique’s personal therapeutic capabilities versus like a pharmaceutical which may bypass one thing that’s occurring throughout the physique. And so these are form of like upregulating the issues your physique already is aware of the way to do. Similar to anytime we’re speaking about detox, I at all times wish to remind individuals we’re really simply enhancing the physique’s skill to detox. We’re not doing something externally that’s inflicting this. The physique is aware of what to do inherently. And I do know peptides lengthen far past simply BPC, although that’s essentially the most well-known. What are a few of the different ones that you just generally discover individuals profit from?
Nathalie: So, you recognize, one factor we should always say about peptides is that they have, they’re in a bit of little bit of a grey zone proper now from a regulatory perspective. The FDA has taken word of peptides and has reclassified them as Class 2 compounds, which signifies that technically we’re not presupposed to be utilizing them anymore. So I simply wish to put that on the market. Clearly, that doesn’t cease lots of people who take issues into their very own palms and biohackers and such and so forth. However the FDA has decreed that they don’t really feel that there’s sufficient analysis and data round them for them to simply be obtainable to the market.
So having stated that, when it comes to what I’ve seen over the past variety of years, you recognize, it’s exhausting to select. It’s a bit of bit like saying, properly, who’s your favourite youngster? And also you’re like, properly, I don’t have a favourite. That simply relies upon, proper? I imply, they’re all my favourite. However one other one which I feel may be very attention-grabbing and notable is Thymosin Alpha-1, which is a thymus peptide. So your thymus gland lives in your chest proper behind your breastbone. It’s, in some ways, the seat of your immunity. And our thymus gland will begin to form of involute as we become old. However it produces all of those compounds that set off the immune system to do sure issues. And so Thymosin Alpha-1 is a peptide that helps the innate immune system. So it may be very helpful for individuals with sure sorts of autoimmune illness. So so long as they don’t seem to be Th2 dominant, then Thymosin Alpha-1 is a good alternative for them as a result of it’s going to deliver up Th1 facet of the immune system, which is the innate immune system. It’s additionally been proven to be very efficient when attempting to cope with illness, like anyone’s coming down with the flu, Thymosin Alpha-1 can actually assist to hurry up that restoration, all types of viruses, as a matter of truth. And so it’s, you recognize, it’s a really highly effective compound. It does have orphan drug standing within the US, however it’s solely accredited for hepatitis B and C proper now. However it’s a, it’s a very attention-grabbing peptide.
One other one which, you recognize, it might at some point, you recognize, form of push BPC 157 off the official Swiss Military knife seat. And that’s a peptide known as GHK-C, properly, it’s known as GHK, however the image for it’s GHK-Cu. Now the Cu stands for copper. And so fairly often individuals will consult with it because the copper peptide. And so what’s actually attention-grabbing about GHK is that it’s notably helpful for pores and skin. And that’s the place it form of bought its declare to fame. The physician who found it and introduced it to market is a health care provider by the title of Dr. Loren Pickart, who’s an American physician. And I consider it was within the early Seventies is when he found GHK copper. And what’s superb about this peptide is it’s solely three amino acids lengthy. So it’s the tiniest of tiny peptides.
And what it will probably do, as a result of it’s so tiny, is it will probably really affect the expression of DNA. So it really influences your gene expression. And it’s been studied and proven to reset many, many genes, like 1000’s of genes, again to their youthful settings. It may also be very useful for therapeutic. Because it seems, it’s additionally actually nice at therapeutic wounds and notably at lowering scarring. And there was one thing else that was crowding that thought out because it was getting out. I misplaced it. So it’s extremely highly effective for therapeutic wounds. However curiously sufficient, it is also now being proven to have some advantages for even anxiousness, for some individuals. It acts on each tissue that should heal, together with the intestine. So it might really work very well hand in hand with BPC 157 as a result of they might form of function on totally different planes, however with a standard purpose. So it’s form of like going on the similar downside via a few totally different pathways. After which the opposite factor that GHK does is it helps with collagen and elastin within the physique. So it helps, so that is why you will see various topical form of I don’t just like the phrase anti-aging notably, however you will see various skincare manufacturers that use GHK-Cu both in small proportion or as the principle ingredient of their merchandise.
Katie: So is GHK used topically primarily, or is it additionally used internally?
Nathalie: So it form of relies upon what you’re doing with it. So it may be used topically 100%. It may also be utilized by subcutaneous injection. As a result of it’s so tiny, there are individuals who really feel that it may also be taken orally. I haven’t seen loads of knowledge on that, however there’s undoubtedly a few complement firms on the market that provide it. And I feel it may also be used intranasally.
So the intranasal administration is at all times actually attention-grabbing, proper? As a result of we don’t consider our nostril as a degree of entry essentially, apart from possibly to the sinuses. However that is the place it’s going throughout the intranasal membrane and being absorbed straight into the bloodstream. And to some extent, even would possibly have an effect on the mind via that route as properly.
And so one of many communities of those that I’ve seen utilizing GHK-Cu and even BPC 157, each of them, are individuals who have a situation, a genetic situation known as Ehlers-Danlos syndrome. I don’t know should you’ve ever heard of it, EDS. And so these are individuals who fairly often are hypermobile. They don’t make collagen correctly. And so they can have points all around the spectrum, it might present up as simply being tremendous versatile. However in some instances, they’ve they endure from POTS, the place their physique’s not in a position to regulate their blood stress correctly. These are individuals who can elevate up their hand and dislocate an elbow or a wrist like they, it will probably get very excessive. And people populations of individuals have discovered that each GHK and BPC 157 appears to have sufficient of an impression on their on their tissues, that it helps them to be a bit of bit stronger. The one factor is that as a result of their situation is genetic, you form of should hold utilizing the peptides to maintain getting the advantages as a result of they’re not going to repair your genes, they’re simply going to possibly affect the way in which they specific.
Katie: That is smart. My first expertise with that one has been not too long ago, really, I lower off on a diagonal, the a part of like a prime a part of my finger. And I used to be questioning if it will really regenerate or if I might have form of like a sharp finger. And it really, I feel between that and I used to be already in a fairly superior development hormone state from fasting, it has totally regenerated in lower than two weeks. So I don’t know that that’s fully from the GHK, however it definitely didn’t damage to have that on board as properly.
I feel additionally in the case of the peptide dialog, the place it will get mystifying for lots of people is you talked about like subcutaneous injection. And I feel there’s, after all, the class of something involving needles can really feel very scary to lots of people, but additionally there’s loads of seemingly tough math concerned whenever you’re speaking about reconstituting and dosing. And there’s a lot that goes into that. Any recommendations on demystifying that course of a bit of bit? As a result of this is likely to be a completely new space for lots of people.
Nathalie: Yeah. So the subcutaneous injection, to be trustworthy, is a barrier of entry for most individuals, proper? Lots of people, you don’t meet too many individuals who simply love poking themselves with needles. Prefer it’s simply not a factor. I personally considered myself as needle phobic till I form of bought into this house. However what we’re speaking about right here is basically like an, it’s an insulin needle. So it’s a tiny little needle. It’s administered within the layer of fats proper beneath the pores and skin. In order that’s the place we’re saying subcutaneous. And I feel that for individuals who resolve to form of transfer into this house, you do have to coach your self. It’s important to be, to me, it’s a must to be fastidious about cleanliness. We’re speaking about alcohol, like the whole lot that you just see your physician or a nurse doing earlier than they offer you a shot, it’s a must to be ready to form of take that on. You wish to be sure that the world is tremendous clear, that you just’ve wiped it with alcohol. You’re by no means going to reuse needles. Individuals ask me that on a regular basis. You wish to swab the highest of the vial earlier than you set the needle in.
And so the way in which that folks reconstitute these peptides, notably in the event that they’re not getting them from a compounding pharmacy, is they’ll fairly often, they’ll arrive in a tiny little vial that half the time goes to look virtually empty. And that’s as a result of we’re speaking about very small quantities of product. And until the producer you’re getting it, the lab you’re getting it from is utilizing fillers like Mannitol, if it’s simply the peptide, generally it seems like there’s a few grains of stuff in there. Nothing else. In order that takes a bit of little bit of getting used to.
What is going to then occur is individuals must reconstitute their peptides. And what meaning is you’re principally mixing it with a liquid to show it into an answer, proper? And if it’s getting used for subcutaneous injection, it’s that answer that’s mostly used is named bacteriostatic water. And what bacteriostatic water is, is water with a really low focus of alcohol. And it’s simply sufficient alcohol that it stops the expansion of micro organism. Now, what’s essential to say right here is it doesn’t cease, it doesn’t kill micro organism. In order that’s why it’s a must to be so cautious whenever you’re mixing issues up or everytime you’re introducing a needle into the vial, as a result of should you introduce micro organism, it is going to keep. It gained’t develop, however it is going to keep.
So when it comes to doing the maths, you talked about math and the maths is actually baffling to individuals. I’m not going to lie. It was fairly darn baffling to me originally. I feel that, you recognize, that is the place getting assist from a coach or somebody who is aware of what they’re doing simply to show you the maths is a very nice concept. However, or you should utilize, there are some on-line peptide calculators. The trick there may be you should know what dose you’re after, proper? So, you’ll be able to’t not know the dose. And what I’ll say is that what you should get it right down to is what number of milligrams of peptide are there within the vial per milliliter. And that provides you your focus. And after getting an concept of that, now we will begin going via math to grasp how a lot of this answer do I would like to attract out to get my desired dose? Is that what you have been after?
Katie: Precisely. Sure. Yeah, I really feel like that’s the large hurdle for lots of people. And also you touched on the FDA stuff. And I do know that like anytime, particularly after we’re speaking about injecting something, security is, after all, a priority. Are there any issues to know on the security facet or dangers that folks would possibly want to pay attention to earlier than they might take into account even researching and taking place the peptide highway?
Nathalie: Yeah. So, I imply, look, peptides are, on the one hand, there are individuals who’ve been utilizing peptides for a few many years, no less than. However for essentially the most half, let’s simply say it’s a final 10- to 15-year phenomenon. And it’s actually bubbled up into the mainstream within the final 5 years. And so whereas there may be some analysis on the market round peptides, there’s not a complete lot of human analysis, and there’s definitely not a complete lot of long-term human research. So there’s at all times uncertainty. I feel that there’s a few issues. On the one hand, what we’ve noticed is that they’ve a reasonably good security profile. Alternatively, it’s not inconceivable, neither is it exceptional, that folks may need an allergic or histamine response to sure peptides. And it is determined by the individual. So the concept that, oh, nothing might probably go improper, really just isn’t true.
Secondly, it’s attainable that folks generally have adversarial reactions to sure peptides due to pre-existing circumstances that they have already got. So for instance, I might say that like with the expansion hormone secretagogues that I discussed earlier, fairly often, not fairly often, however it’s not unusual to see individuals have a histamine response to these. And what that appears like is on the injection web site, they’ll get like a sizzling purple bump, virtually like a mosquito chew. In the event that they proceed, one in every of two issues occurs. Both the bump will get larger, hotter, and extra itchy, which is a particular signal by the physique to again down. Don’t try this once more as a result of that may escalate. Or generally, the immune system, it’s virtually prefer it has an preliminary response after which it backs down.
However the different factor that may occur with development hormone secretagogues is it will probably trigger a slight improve in blood stress. That improve ought to be transient, however for some individuals, it’s not. So it’s a must to be very cognizant of the place you’re at, what your baselines are. BPC 157 on paper is meant to steadiness the dopaminergic, serotonergic, and GABAergic programs within the mind. And but there are some those that get very extreme anxiousness from BPC 157.
So I feel the takeaway is that there’s loads we don’t know as a result of we all know that the businesses that basically have the cash to spend on that form of analysis are massive pharma firms. As a result of they will’t patent the peptides as they’re, their motivation to do this analysis is pretty low. And that massive analysis hasn’t been executed but. I feel what’s occurring and what some individuals consider is likely to be occurring with this complete FDA factor is that identical to with the GLP-1 agonists, so issues like Mounjaro and Ozempic which have made fairly a splash over the past couple of years, these are peptides. And what occurred with these is that the pharma firms did the analysis and discovered a method to, and it’s not simply that they discovered a approach. They modified the molecules in order that it will have a for much longer half-life within the physique and due to this fact ship a sure end result.
So in doing that, they did one thing that they have been in a position to patent. With BPC-157, I feel what we’re going to see is we’re going to, in some unspecified time in the future, we’re going to see some remedy come out that’s primarily based on or a by-product of BPC-157. So I suppose to reply your query is, individuals have to know that they’re, that peptides are very highly effective. They’re on the one hand, they appear to be pretty secure as a result of they arrive from our our bodies, however then again, there are specific pathways which may get activated that we’re not acquainted with but. And in conditions the place somebody, for instance, has lively most cancers or sure well being circumstances, I feel it’s actually essential to hunt out a practitioner or a doctor who’s acquainted with peptides and actually how they work at a mobile stage in order that they will correctly information you and keep away from you recognize, going the improper approach. Like with Thymosin Alpha 1, which many individuals assume is tremendous secure and nice for everyone, I’ve seen individuals have actually unhealthy reactions as a result of they have been already TH2 dominant, and it simply pushed them over the sting.
Katie: And it feels like we’re in a time of like form of to be continued on the dialog as the whole lot unravels with the FDA and as this stuff push for approval in several avenues. However it’s like an enchanting matter and one which hopefully we get to do extra observe up sooner or later as these items begin to unravel. For individuals who wish to continue learning extra about peptides, I do know you’ve got loads of assets obtainable on-line. The place can individuals discover you and continue learning from you?
Nathalie: So the perfect place to go is my web site, which is natniddam.com. And on that web site, there’s a tab on the prime that claims BSP Group, like Bob, Susan, and Peter group. And that group is a personal membership group that I run on Mighty Networks. And should you be part of as an annual member, you really get entry to my peptide crash course. Which I put collectively a few years in the past, simply actually to assist individuals form of get their floor, their footing on this complete peptide house and actually perceive the fundamentals about a few of the most typical peptides. And so they also can observe me on Instagram, which is simply my title @NathalieNiddam. After which I’ve bought a Fb group that I began about 4 years in the past, I wish to say, that I’m not in as a lot anymore. However it’s a very, it’s a, I’ll name it a really vibrant and lively group. It’s gotten fairly massive. It’s round 22,000 members proper now. And so it’s known as Optimizing Superhuman Efficiency. And largely it’s run by a few admins, however I’m in there each occasionally as properly.
Katie: Superior. Nicely, I’ll ensure all of these are linked within the present notes for you guys listening on the go. And this has been such a enjoyable dialog. And like I stated, it is a new space for me. I’m simply starting experimentation with it. So we will have follow-up conversations sooner or later, however thanks a lot to your time and for the whole lot you shared immediately.
Nathalie: Thanks, Katie. It’s been a pleasure. Thanks a lot for having me.
Katie: And due to all of you for listening. And I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the subsequent episode of the Wellness Mama Podcast.
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