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Hi there and welcome to the Wellness Mama Podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and this episode is about tips on how to perceive your personal hormones, coronary heart well being, thyroid, toxin ranges, metabolic well being, and far more with a brand new device known as Perform Well being. And that is one thing I want had been obtainable over 10 years in the past once I was making an attempt to determine my very own well being struggles, and it was not, and I ended up spending hundreds of {dollars} and an entire lot of time making an attempt to get solutions that are actually a lot, a lot, a lot, far more reasonably priced and obtainable at your fingertips. And we talked about that right now.
I’m right here with Pranitha Patil, who’s the co-founder and COO of an organization known as Perform Well being that I’ve gotten to be concerned with as a result of I assumed this was so vital to get to the world. I like what they’re doing. She is a trailblazing entrepreneur who went by means of her personal well being struggles like I did and struggled to search out solutions. And out of that was born her ardour for making well being information reasonably priced and obtainable to everybody. She went by means of, like I mentioned, her personal power circumstances, together with PCOS, prediabetes, and genetic excessive ldl cholesterol, and needed to go on fairly the journey to remodel her personal well being. Now she runs Perform Well being, which has helped her enhance her personal ranges, however extra importantly, makes this obtainable to everybody to have the ability to each entry, perceive, and make change primarily based on their personalised well being information.
I speak so much right here about how the way forward for, I feel, of well being is the personalised and individualized side. And that’s why I don’t share straight precisely what dietary supplements I take or precisely what I do, as a result of what I do is what works for me, however might not translate straight for you. But the lesson we will be taught from any skilled is to start to try this experimentation to determine our personal solutions. And I really feel like this can be a worthwhile device to assist us all do this. We get to enter the precise issues that they check and why they’re vital, in addition to issues like how they get a snapshot of organic age, even early most cancers markers that they’ll consider, autoimmune markers. That is actually essentially the most complete testing I’ve ever performed, and nicely lower than 10% of the fee that I’ve spent to get this up to now. So I’ll let her clarify what goes into this and tips on how to entry it, however I actually am excited for this as a useful resource to all of us to essentially democratize entry to our personal well being information. So let’s be a part of her now. Pranitha, welcome. Thanks a lot for being right here right now.
Pranitha: Thanks a lot for having me, Katie. Actually respect it.
Katie: Nicely, I’m actually excited to get to geek out a little bit bit as a result of I’ve talked about earlier than on this podcast the way it’s superior that we reside in a time the place now we have a lot entry to information, however that typically there’s like an overwhelm that comes with that when you possibly can entry all the information of realizing what are literally the impactful information factors to get and to concentrate to when there’s a lot info on the market. And for context folks I discussed it in your bio, however you’re employed with an organization known as Perform Well being, which I feel is revolutionizing this trade to start with, however actually serving to put that energy in every of our personal palms. And I feel there’s a lot nuance to know after we’re in a position to get lab testing affordably into what to have a look at, what we should always check, and why various things are vital. So to begin a little bit excessive stage, are you able to type of clarify the array of issues that you just guys check, after which we’ll get to delve into why every one’s vital?
Pranitha: Sure, completely. So Perform Well being is constructing a revolutionary method that offers ladies, males, households, and everybody energy over their well being exterior their conventional physician’s workplace. It’s additionally essentially the most reasonably priced and handy method to get on prime of your well being. So a number of the issues that we check are your coronary heart, your hormones, your thyroid, your kidney, your liver, or take into consideration all of the organs and organ programs, how they join to one another. And that’s the reply, these are the solutions we’re making an attempt to get for people is testing these biomarkers and connecting them collectively that will help you as a person get extra details about your physique.
Katie: That is smart. And I not too long ago, for context for everybody, I bought to undergo this testing, and I used to be blown away how complete it was as a result of as somebody who used to have Hashimoto’s and I’m now in remission, however I’ve had varied well being challenges over time, I’ve gotten quite a lot of lab testing up to now. And I used to be shocked as a result of this was most likely the least costly lab testing I had ever gotten. And also you guys examined issues that had by no means been examined on me earlier than, regardless of all these items I had performed up to now. And so, I’d like to get a little bit bit particular into a few of these classes as a result of I feel having this info in our palms is so worthwhile, particularly after we perceive what to have a look at and tips on how to interpret it.
And I do know you guys even have this in-built, and you’re in partnership with Dr. Mark Hyman to have this schooling piece in-built, however I beloved how even inside my outcomes, it wasn’t identical to excessive, low, regular, and then you definately get no different info. It was like, right here’s what this implies. Right here’s some sources. Right here’s what to know. So possibly since lots of people listening are ladies, let’s begin with the hormone piece as a result of this seems like an space that’s typically a little bit bit overwhelming or complicated and there’s so many factor we will check. After which after we do, what will we really want to have a look at to know what’s occurring inside our physique?
Pranitha: Completely. So high-level context Perform assessments over 100 biomarkers, such as you talked about. A kind of classes for girls are our feminine well being hormones. This consists of AMH, FSH, luteinizing hormone, estradiol, intercourse hormone binding globulin, and the record goes on. These hormones are current in virtually each system in our physique. And so, when hormones are balanced, they always talk with one another. They’re synchronizing the rhythms of our physique. After they’re imbalanced is when so many individuals really feel like, oh, what am I imagined to do about this? Possibly they go to their doctor, they usually ask for these assessments, they usually’re confused and or they don’t get these assessments. So the aim of this testing is to get folks solutions for why, what’s inflicting that imbalance? How would possibly that come out in your day-to-day life? Your sleep, your sudden weight achieve, your pimples, your power, anxiousness, despair, the record goes on right here. So hormone imbalance is tremendous vital to know as a result of there are such a lot of forces that trigger our hormones to be out of whack and the testing and the information will get folks info to truly say, okay, right here’s what’s occurring. And possibly subsequent time once I check in three months or six months, I see a change as a result of I truly did a way of life change. And that’s the type of information that we provide you with with Perform Well being is why one thing is out of vary, but additionally what you would possibly be capable of do about it.
Katie: And I beloved that that was all in-built, like even the extra intricate thyroid hormones that I bear in mind 10 years in the past having to form of like beg my physician to truly run a full thyroid panel and never simply check one marker and say I used to be regular. That’s all included. And also you guys like break down the ratios. I’m like, that info would have been invaluable to me 10 years in the past. And it was additionally extremely encouraging. Now, as you mentioned, I’ve made all these life-style adjustments the final 10 years to see I’m not on thyroid medicine, and my numbers had been in a extremely good vary. In order that was like tremendous empowering information to truly have in my palms. Are you able to converse to the thyroid piece a little bit? As a result of I do know we’re seeing an increase in thyroid-related points. And that is one other space the place it looks as if ladies particularly go to a physician, get one or two issues examined, after which get informed they’re regular they usually’re sitting there going, however then why do I nonetheless really feel so unhealthy? And so, I like that you just guys put that complete panel in there because the baseline.
Pranitha: Yeah. So for the thyroid testing, now we have TSH, now we have T3, T4, and that’s clearly one other enormous part of the physique that has had unanswered questions, proper? In order that’s precisely why we do that’s thyroid, testing your thyroid hormones lets you get the solutions just like anyone with Hashimoto’s in remission. There’s so many individuals on the market who, who, who’ve this, who don’t know. And possibly the subsequent step is that they should see an endocrinologist. Possibly the subsequent step is they’ll make some life-style adjustments and repair that downside, proper? So, you’re solely going to know what you are able to do when you begin doing the testing for one thing like thyroid.
Katie: And I do know like thyroid is simply one of many organ programs you guys have a look at on this testing. The cool factor to me is like after we get this information, there’s stuff that might be occurring in our physique that we would not know from a symptom-only perspective. And so after we get this, it’s like a deeper perception into what’s occurring. What are a number of the issues that we will, from getting lab testing, type of infer or find out about different organ programs or what’s occurring inside the physique?
Pranitha: Yeah. So, there are apparent connections between biomarkers, after which there’s a number of the latent connections between biomarkers. If you consider how one hormone connects to your digestive system, proper? And so, when you consider the testing, the broad thought right here is how will we get you info to then unearth one thing chances are you’ll not have unearthed with an external-facing symptom? That’s the purpose of claiming we’re going to attach these two organ programs by means of our content material to say, okay. You understand what? This was off, so you may additionally wish to have a look at this and have a look at the marker for irritation. Possibly there’s one thing there. And that’s one thing that Perform is engaged on is bringing you info to not simply provide you with biomarker by biomarker info, however category-level info. So you possibly can say, okay, right here’s the state of my coronary heart well being. Right here’s the state of my metabolic well being. Right here’s the state of my hormone well being at a extra higher-level image with the intention to begin making these latent connections that will not have been made simply by means of signs alone.
Katie: Let’s speak a little bit bit extra in regards to the coronary heart well being metric as a result of I do know from the information that when ladies undergo menopause, as an illustration, their cardiovascular danger rises to extra the extent of males. However then till that time, ladies on common have a little bit bit decrease cardiovascular danger than males. So I feel typically this implies we aren’t taking note of that as a lot till menopause, nevertheless it looks as if there’s some early warning indicators to concentrate to. There’s additionally simply nice information that comes from what our coronary heart’s doing and what our coronary heart well being is. So what are you guys on the Perform aspect while you’re testing coronary heart well being markers? And what can folks be taught from taking note of these markers?
Pranitha: Yeah, this one’s one I’m actually obsessed with. I had excessive ldl cholesterol once I was 22, and my doctor actually mentioned, we will’t put you on a satin since you’re too younger. So are you able to think about 22? I’m simply in my life and don’t have any idea of cardiometabolic well being. And so, this one is extremely vital as a result of there’s the standard lipid panel, which we run, after which there’s the superior lipid panel that we run, which is lipid particle dimension. And that is tremendous vital to know as a result of it’s a marker for cardiovascular danger primarily based in your particle dimension. So, there’s so many individuals who, I feel it’s truly 70% of people that have a coronary heart situation who’ve a reasonably regular conventional lipid panel. After which you possibly can check the lipid dimension and the lipid quantity and it’s off, proper? So, the significance for girls to get this examined is simply so excessive as a result of a lot of the information and the analysis is completed for males and has been performed for males. And there’s the time period of girls are simply smaller males. And that’s simply the other of the case. We’re so totally different. We have now a wholly totally different make-up, clearly. So, when you consider your coronary heart well being and getting examined and understanding what’s occurring, even to know danger, it’s all about educating your self so that you just’re taking the best steps to keep away from a coronary heart subject sooner or later. And there’s indicators of coronary heart points for girls youthful than 50, and that’s on the rise right now. So it’s all about simply understanding these superior lipid markers, which is what we run in Perform.
Katie: It’s nonetheless mind-blowing to me that girls weren’t even actually included in medical analysis till 1993. So, I really feel like we’re nonetheless behind the curve. However issues like what you guys are doing, the place we’re getting all these information factors after which like utilizing the most effective of expertise to investigate them and put them compared to one another and that total danger, I really feel like is invaluable in serving to meet up with that studying curve that we’ve had by not together with ladies in analysis. I additionally love that you just guys have a look at the metabolic aspect as a result of I’ve seen the statistics range, nevertheless it appears fairly frequent that upwards of 80%, and I’ve seen some say as excessive as 95% of persons are not metabolically wholesome or have at the very least one marker that signifies some side of their metabolic well being shouldn’t be optimum, which I’d love to substantiate or deny on these numbers. Is that what you guys are seeing in labs? And what are you to find out metabolic well being?
Pranitha: Sure, it’s. And it’s the standard HbA1c, however we additionally have a look at glucose and insulin and irritation, proper? So, HSCRP and different indicators of metabolic well being. Metabolic well being, you can too hyperlink to coronary heart well being right here, clearly. So sure, it’s. It’s the explanation why steady glucose screens exist, proper? It’s the explanation why there’s a craze for an understanding for the way meals impacts our glucose. And sure, getting that in management is the impact and sorry, the output of our complete system, our meals system, our well being system, every little thing. And so, it’s like, how can the meals we eat assist our metabolic well being versus if we reside with establishment, the trajectory doesn’t look so nice for our system, notably the metabolic well being system.
Katie: And so, like glucose and insulin, like HbA1c, these are all included on this panel.
Pranitha: Sure.
Katie: What are a number of the like life-style and dietary habits that correlate with that? As a result of I’d guess you guys get to see an entire lot on the sample stage of what’s occurring with getting so many lab ends in.
Pranitha: Yeah. So the approach to life modifications are clearly all about refined meals so far as eradicating refined meals and including extra, we name it the rainbow. That’s one in every of Mark’s phrases is meals is drugs. How are you going to use meals to fight your physique saying, hey, I’m infected. You bought to assist me right here. And a lot of biomarkers is your physique and your inside organs saying, hey, please assist. And so doing this testing lets you say, oh, this a part of my organs, these organs are calling for assist. And so that’s a lot of what the approach to life modifications embrace is it’s your food plan, your life-style, what dietary supplements you would possibly contemplate. That’s the baseline. I virtually really feel like a lot of what may be solved begins with that. After which, certain, you might need to clearly see a doctor or see a specialist. Or get on a prescription. We’re not saying that’s fully eradicated. However we’re saying, what can we begin with first and what number of issues can we resolve if we actually assault our meals, our figuring out, and go from there? That’s a place to begin. Simply because we really feel it seems like a lot a lot of our life-style is simply on loop. Like we simply do issues as a result of we’re used to it. So that is meant to simply lower there and say, no, cease. Like newsflash. Let’s take motion primarily based on what your physique is telling you.
Katie: Nicely, and each time I hear these stats about particularly metabolic illness being on the rise, to me the silver lining and the factor to concentrate on in that’s which means truly the overwhelming majority of the flexibility to vary that’s already inside our palms. Which means it’s not some obscure genetic illness that solely a small proportion of persons are coping with. These are food plan and lifestyle-based challenges, which suggests we as people have the ability to make behavior adjustments that have an effect on that, which is definitely, I feel, actually encouraging. One other factor you guys examined, and completely from a conceit perspective, I beloved this. You probably did an getting old check, and it tells you your organic age, and mine was like 10 years youthful than my precise age, which was actually enjoyable and thrilling. However I like that it’s not simply you’re testing telomeres, as a result of there’s every kind of details about that may not truly be as correct as we as soon as thought to start with. However speak in regards to the getting old piece and why you are feeling like that is vital to regulate and to have a look at and what goes into figuring out organic age.
Pranitha: Yeah. So organic age takes a subset of our biomarkers, not all, so I do prefer to caveat that bio-age isn’t, if in case you have an amazing bio-age, you’re good. It’s best to undoubtedly have a look at all the opposite markers. It takes a subset of these biomarkers, and we give an getting old rating. Clearly, with longevity on the forefront of so many individuals’s minds, the thought right here and our mission, proper, is to reside 100 wholesome years. And we actually imply that. So how can we take type of a abstract rating of a subset of those biomarkers to present folks a spot the place they’re like, okay, right here’s how I’m altering. And once more, the subsequent check that you just do, your bio-age will doubtless replace. And it takes into consideration irritation and a pair different biomarkers in there. However once more, that’s not the one biomarker that’s vital to have a look at. It’s the abstract of all of the biomarkers, notably these which might be out of vary.
Katie: Now that was one thing else I seen that I beloved is that you just guys are taking these into consideration as an entire and in form of like ratio and weighted towards one another. As a result of one pattern I’ve seen in these final 16 years within the well being world is we’ll get like the fashionable factor that everyone will get targeted on. Possibly it’s like MTHFR, after which all people’s taking methylfolate. However there are six different genes you can throw out of alignment by taking an excessive amount of methylfolate. And so, I like that you just guys are preserving that complete physique image and every little thing in relation to one another. As a result of additionally, such as you mentioned, one factor being out of vary you would possibly wish to fixate on that, nevertheless it is likely to be indicating one thing else occurring elsewhere within the physique or one thing else that is likely to be in vary, however is out of vary and that ratio would possibly inform you one thing solely totally different. So I like that you just guys put that schooling piece there as nicely. And also you additionally check sure toxin ranges. And I like this as a result of that is one other space I’ve been speaking about for a very long time. It’s not simply what we eat. It’s what we’re uncovered to. And it’s what can construct up in our physique. And also you guys are giving folks that snapshot as nicely. Are you able to speak about what you guys have a look at there? And possibly a number of the issues like massive purple flags to keep away from that you just’re seeing so much within the testing?
Pranitha: Yeah. I imply, the large ones for heavy steel toxins are mercury, arsenic, selenium. These are tremendous vital for a lot of causes. There’s a latest research that confirmed how these affect fertility for each women and men. And clearly, with mercury, there’s the fish. It doesn’t imply fully take it out, however there’s recommendation in our work about what sort of fish to eat. And once more, the largest factor is realizing if in case you have toxins in your physique, proper? The optimum vary, we speak about quest ranges after which optimum ranges or the reference ranges after which optimum ranges. And we’re making an attempt to get all people to the optimum ranges, notably on the subject of these heavy steel toxins. And I can speak a little bit bit about reference ranges and optimum ranges in a bit, nevertheless it’s extremely vital for us to know the place we’re at or else you’re simply making blind selections. In order that’s one other piece that’s actually vital for Perform is knowing heavy steel toxins as a result of they don’t simply affect fertility. They affect your each day life, your sluggishness, your fatigue. There’s so many issues that might come out of toxicity.
Katie: Yeah, let’s delve into the reference ranges versus optimum or what I typically hear folks say, like, my physician informed me my labs had been regular. And I’ve wished to disrupt that time period for such a very long time as a result of I’m like, regular shouldn’t be optimum, particularly in right now’s world. However possibly give us some breakdown of what to know while you get lab outcomes, particularly in the event that they’re getting them from elsewhere, that it’s identical to, you solely see that slim vary of that is regular, and also you’re inside it, however with no schooling or rationalization. What’s the distinction between regular and optimum?
Pranitha: For certain. So reference ranges that come from the labs are primarily based on averages. And so they’ve been set for without end, after which as soon as the assay has been made, and after they’re supplied to people, they’re often given as a spread. And there’s both under vary, in vary, or above vary. And sure, I agree with you. The phrase regular is the unsuitable phrase to make use of as a result of every of us are so extremely totally different and complex. In order that’s the lab vary. That’s vital to have as a result of it does set some, you realize, some metric for us to have a look at on the subject of ranges. After which there’s optimum ranges. And that is nonetheless being developed within the area. There’s of us who’ve totally different optimum ranges. However the objective right here is to get of us to optimum vary over time and begin excited about optimum vary. And the optimum vary for every biomarker varies, clearly. And it’s all depending on getting of us to a spot that we’re truly getting a wholesome inhabitants versus, in case you take the common, then that’s not the healthiest a part of the inhabitants, proper? We have now to get folks to a spot the place we’re excited about optimum ranges, and we’re always understanding the analysis behind why and what these numbers are. And that’s an enormous a part of what Perform is happy to consider is what occurs when of us go from in vary on the reference vary aspect to in vary on the optimum aspect. And what do your outcomes truly appear to be? How does your well being truly change? That’s actually thrilling for us at Perform.
Katie: And all these items we’re speaking about are in identical to the fundamental, and I take advantage of that time period in quotations, panel that you just guys run. As a result of, like I mentioned, it’s extra complete than different labs I’ve gotten that had been thought of complete. However you additionally, as I went by means of the method, I seen there have been all these cool like add-ons you possibly can get in case you wished for perception. And I like that you just’re making these accessible too. As a result of I do know having gone by means of this course of, a few of these add-ons had been extraordinarily cheap, they usually had been ones I had paid an entire lot of cash for up to now. So stroll us by means of what the add-on choices are and why you guys selected these.
Pranitha: Yeah, for certain. So, as I discussed in the beginning, the membership consists of the 100 biomarkers. And people had been very deliberately chosen with Dr. Mark and different consultants within the area to determine which of them that we wish to embrace for each Perform member. And the add-ons you’re mentioning are unbelievable purchases for folks primarily based on what they may want. So, if you consider a number of the add-ons now we have, that are allergic reactions, so indoor allergic reactions, outside allergic reactions. We have now IGF-1, which is a progress hormone. We have now Gallery, which is a most cancers testing check for 50 forms of most cancers. APOE, which is a genotype for Alzheimer’s danger. And there’s a number of others. These add-ons are all meant for people who need a little bit little bit of a deeper dive. So, for APOE, what’s your danger? This can be a genetic marker that you just check as soon as. Allergic reactions. Are you feeling that is like precise allergens, not sensitivities? What are you feeling? Have you ever had this check performed shortly? That is all meant to present folks a double-click into a few of these classes the place we didn’t add them to the precise panel. However we’re trying so as to add extra add-ons over time as they change into accessible in order that we will proceed to unlock info for our members and once more, make these connections that haven’t been made up to now.
Katie: And I’ll guarantee that, I do know that you just guys have a particular hyperlink as a result of there’s a waitlist and that is new and it has gotten highly regarded, however I’ll be sure that the waitlist hyperlink is within the present notes for folks listening. Positively test it out as a result of I’ve actually loved going by means of this. I feel the opposite factor that’s cool about what you guys are doing is you make it not simply reasonably priced, however like simple to entry a number of occasions per 12 months. And the way typically in a really perfect world would we have a look at these items? I do know there may also be like information fatigue the place in case you had been doing this each week, as an illustration, you won’t be useful. However what would you see because the optimum time to concentrate to, to have the ability to see a change occur and like make these conduct adjustments that we’re speaking about?
Pranitha: Nice query. The cadence now we have set for our members proper now could be the Perform membership supplies two assessments a 12 months. The primary is your first check. It’s the complete whammy. After which, about three to 6 months later, we suggest you getting one other a part of the testing, which is included within the membership. So whole within the membership, we embrace about 160 biomarkers. The primary one is 100. The one within the center is about 60. The kick right here is in case you’re making life-style modifications and also you’re taking dietary supplements, you’re making meals changes to your life-style, you’re going to see adjustments faster than that. And I’m not a clinician, so I can’t say how shortly and which biomarkers. Nonetheless, I’ll say that primarily based on what you’re doing together with your life, this is the reason we provide the flexibility to get examined any time for different assessments. Let’s say you’re one particular marker, mercury, and also you wish to get that examined extra usually. You are able to do that. So, with the membership, it’s the 2, however then you possibly can type of check at any cadence. It’s truthfully very depending on what you’re doing individually, which is why we are saying, okay, hey, do that one after which do that three to 6 months later after which do it once more the subsequent 12 months as a result of it’s an annual subscription. However that cadence is admittedly depending on what life-style adjustments you’re making.
Katie: Yeah. And I felt like that was actually motivating to get to see as a result of most of mine had been in actually good ranges, however then the couple that had been like, oh, there’s room for enchancment right here. I assumed it was actually motivating to have the ability to work on these issues after which get to retest and be like, oh, look, change occurred. It moved. And I really feel like placing this device in folks’s palms is admittedly serving to revolutionize us with the ability to make these adjustments in real-time that truly change our well being over time and never simply wait until one thing will get to symptom stage and even worse, like illness stage earlier than we find out about it. And I really feel like this is rather like such an enchanting method to get that information to all of us as customers. So I’m actually grateful that this exists. And like I mentioned, I’ll be sure that the hyperlink is within the present notes for you guys listening as a result of there may be, I consider you possibly can converse to this higher, however there’s like a waitlist, however there’s a method to bypass the waitlist, I feel for listeners?
Pranitha: Sure. So, we do have a waitlist and we do have a code for all of you Wellness Mama listeners, and I can present that to you after, it’s simply Wellness Mama. So sure, the flexibility to leap the wait record gives you entry to the testing instantly. And truthfully, with the brand new 12 months arising, it’s such a good time to consider establishing a baseline in your well being and saying, okay, the primary check provides you, such as you mentioned, a baseline. It provides you someplace to begin excited about it. After which you can begin to make adjustments proactively. And that’s every little thing that we stand for is proactive motion in your well being and giving your self the ability to take that motion versus sitting and twiddling your thumbs and ready for one thing to occur. None of us wish to do this. So, that’s precisely what Perform Well being affords.
Katie: Nicely, thanks a lot. I’ll guarantee that code’s additionally included within the present notes for you guys listening, all of that lives at wellnessmama.com. However I’m so grateful for this work that you just’re doing. Like I mentioned, it’s very motivating and interesting to me to see this. And I’m excited to maintain taking note of these over time and hopefully see issues like that organic age keep the identical and even go down at the same time as I get chronologically older. I feel information is extremely useful. And this offers us perception we wouldn’t usually have on what’s occurring in our our bodies with out having to go to a physician simply to get the labs. We will nonetheless work with the docs if we have to. However I feel this actually revolutionizes entry now we have to our personal well being. So thanks a lot for that. And thanks for being right here right now.
Pranitha: After all. Thanks, Katie. Thanks for every little thing that you just do for this group.
Katie: And thanks for sharing your time with us right now. We’re so grateful that you just did. And I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the subsequent episode of The Wellness Mama Podcast.
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